Playing versus bots

Posted 8 years ago

I have been playing a decent amount of fast fold on ipoker this week and I suspect many of my opponents are bots given how some accounts are on every time I play and have similar traits.

So, as an example, if I find an account that I suspect to be a bot that is folding to say 55% of cbets according to my database, if it actually is a bot, is it just as likely to fold to a 35% cbet as it is to say a 60% cbet?

I've pretty much been making lots of small bets and finding I'm getting more than my fair share of folds but if I am playing a field compromising of mostly bots, when I identify a bot, shouldn't I be betting the minimum with my bluffs and maximum with my value hands? I don't mean minbet my bluffs and jam my value but exactly how wide are the
tolerances on these things for calling and folding?

I probably haven't worded that as well as I would have liked but the basic premise of the question is when bots are check/folding, what is likely to be the minimum we can bet to exploit it and when they're check/calling, what is the maximum we can bet to exploit it? I'm assuming that there will be things users can play with should they wish but I'm also assuming that those people lazy enough to by moderate bots off the shelf and going to be too lazy to adjust the default settings too.
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Posted 8 years ago
Seems like a solid strategy yes and it just depends how advanced the bots are basically but yes most won't recognize sizing so good plan.

The ultimate strategy is to report each person you expect to be a bot. Their account will be investigated as iPoker are completely on the ball with this stuff and don't mess about when it comes to cheating.
Posted 8 years ago
Or exploit the bot Laugh
Posted 8 years ago
matty: Or exploit the bot :D


haha yeh true my comment sounds so stupid now i read it back...we want the bots! So don't report them. I guess what i was trying to say is if it is super advanced and hard to exploit then report. If not figure out all these little things and crush it!
Posted 8 years ago
Ipoker never used to be good at dealing with bots. Back in around 09 the network was was riddled with them often you could find two at every reg table in the $20nl games.

I'd heard they had cleaned up their act but I'm not so sure. If or when I figure out how to exploit them easily, I'm still not sure I would be comfortable with them being there.
Posted 8 years ago
Jon-PokerVIP:
Their account will be investigated as iPoker are completely on the ball with this stuff and don't mess about when it comes to cheating.


Good one! Smile
Posted 8 years ago
If you find the will fold to minbets or close to it, and will pay psb when you have TP+, I'd never report them! You can find some stories online about someone finding an exploit like this, then using the bots as an ATM machine for a few days until whoever was running the bots refused to sit on a table with them. (Not FF tables obv.)
Posted 8 years ago
Some inside info: I've recently done a research into how these bots work (was interested as I'm a programmer irl), almost all of them use the open holdem framework. This software consists of two parts: it can identify objects (like chip stacks) on the screen. With a lot of boring work, it takes like 2 months to make it perfect by hand. If even one chip on the table is misinterpreted, it could lead to a losing bot. And it has a compiler part, that compiles a primitive scripting markup language, that can interpret predefined actions and reactions to what happen at the table. It can be very complex but the usual conservative strategies work at low limits.

There are some AI bots as well, but mostly in the experimental status (I saw MIT researching these), I don't think there would be any of them out in play. So stay at the openholdem, the only popular botting engine at the moment.

First of all, ipoker will switch to the new client in like one month distance. This is going to ruin all the openholdem bots for a time.

Second, you can exploit most of them easily.

The average bot is primitive enough to be fooled. They look at what range you might play and book you as a tight/semi-tight, etc player. So if you are sure you're playing with a bot, take your usual tight range, and as your stack gets big enough, try to fish with 23s or a totally junk hand. The bot will adjust their play booking that you're actually a loose player and when you continue playing normally, it might take 10-15 hands for them to realize, that was a careless mistake.

So that is my idea. Most of the bots are basic. If you put a little bit of deviation into your ranges and variance into your play, they can set up a wrong picture about your style.