I was just looking at this yesterday seen its a $500 security deposit too ..would be good to get some peoples thoughts

I have been thiniking the same thing for over the month now .
I know the guy who is inside and I will try to post here what he wrote about it ., might help you (I will copy paste stuff from skype convo so besides overall context there might lack connecteions between sentences., but you will get picture)

The Coachings are 3-4 times a week and the community is really nice
[25.5.2016 21:14:49] chambermaster: well in Micro program not much Focus on you
[25.5.2016 21:14:57] chambermaster: if you get better they will Focus more on you
[25.5.2016 21:15:15] chambermaster: some guys say that they Focus more on you in the PLO or s&g program
[25.5.2016 21:15:18] chambermaster: dunno if thats right
[25.5.2016 21:16:33] chambermaster: you go through Hands monstly
[25.5.2016 21:16:35] chambermaster: mostly
mental stuff is sometimes also in a webinar
[25.5.2016 21:17:03] chambermaster: but there is much Video content
[25.5.2016 21:17:15] chambermaster: no it is ok
[25.5.2016 21:17:16] chambermaster: just ask
[25.5.2016 21:17:35] chambermaster: let me get it straight, if you struggle at micros say... NL10 or down you are right in the program
if you beat NL10 easily and could Play NL25 you are wrong in the prgram, then you should Play for the 30K program

So overall lot of video content, lot of grup coachings , not much individual stuff. In adition if you are in profit in end of the month you split 50/50, if you are ind downswing and have no money you need to drop the limit.IF you go broke they dont give any money.
Thats pretty much everything I know.
I personally am bothered by dailly mails about how great, good and everythign they are . it kind repels me away so to say.
Hope thos helps .

Thanks for your input Sharky.

I have purchased some materials from BPC before and it is very good quality. It's a big step to take to join the coaching prog tho as it is costing E15,000 to finish it.

I have never heard anyone tell me that they are playing for BPC which is somewhat worrying as either they play for them and don't want to tell people (due to the deal), have failed or just decided it is not for them. It could be the best staking program in the world just I know 100s of people who have played for staking/coaching teams and not one has mentioned these guys...

I checked them out before I came on board with VIP staking and still get their emails. Far to salesly for me. If you have a such a good program why do you have to pitch it so hard. The deposit I can kind of get cause you can't control other people and you don't want give a way tons of free content and have a student who puts in little to no effort and you never see any splits or get paid. However, if your program was so good why would you need to discount the security deposits. The last string of emails were a 175e discount on the 500e deposit, BUT ONLY FOR THE NEXT 10 PEOPLE!!. Then I just got an email this morning - OMG ONLY 4 SPOTS LEFT ON THE DISCOUNTED DEPOSIT!! ACT NOW!!

The other thing, is I watched a vid of Gordon coaching someone and the way he talks to them, IMO, is just disrespectful. They claim to have this No Bullshit approach, which is fine. I don't want someone sugar coating things and telling me I am doing fine when I am not. He was literally calling this guy a dumbass and yelling at him. Was a bit much for me.

Pretty sure Gordon doesn't play poker anymore either. Why is that? At least I know my bossman plays poker and teaches it, as do all of the coaches on this site.

Just my 2 cents and why I never went with them

@Jon-Pokervip:
I think your choice of word "worrying" is not a wise choice considering you are working for Pokervip.
Your team knows about us (talked with Jamie on few occasions, i'll keep it there), we have the biggest coaching thread in 2p2 with over 500k views, we have been around forever, we publish results. We're the only ones who do that btw.

You guys have built and done big things, so that's something i can respect. You're (likely) big experts on traffics, building site networks and affiliating in general.
But perhaps you can showcase some of your success stories of your staking/coaching - in case something "worries" you.

I will not post links or anything because it's your forum and you guys decide how open you are. If you guys wish to have an open and fair discussion, you can ask any question you wish about our program or anything.

I think that's a somewhat accurate description, i could argue on some small details, but yes Micro players will not get 1-1 coaching with a 500Euro/hour coach. They have to earn that first.

And yes, i'd like to add, we are not a staking program.

Especially in micro-stakes, staking is very bad and anybody who needs staking at these limits should not be given money.
There is no way a backer can coach and make money unless they take a big cut of the affiliate deal, in which case the player is better off on his own anyways,

Hey,

you don't like the style. That's fine. I'm direct (telling how great we are;). If that's a deciding factor, that's certainly a choice you can make. Many people have joined (Hansthegreat for example...well u read about him making the 100k etc lol) who also don't like the style, but they joined for the coaching.

If what you're doing now works out great for you, keep doing that! BPC is not there to help the millionaires become billionaires. We help people make their first 100k and give them the tools to make the first million on their own.

One guy who finished the program with a 30k month said that he it was the experience of his life, but he thought i was unnecessarily tough at times. Fair points, i don't agree, but i only judge by results.

Lastly: "Why would you discount xxx if your program is so yyy"

Answer:
This is the one thing i personally agree with you. I hate discounts. I buy what i want, not bc it's a discount. However, some people are different, and if it helps them (and us) if we offer small discounts, then our marketing manager does that.
Ask yourself, why does Pokervip offer rake races? Same reason. Rake races are worth x% and instead of having a race, u could simply pay people y%. But the world doesn't work how we want, but how the world wants.

Other answer:
Well, because you can have many people making 100k in 9 months, publicly documented from day 1 (one of them even had RB deals through pokervip;). You can have real people showing how it works and...

.... and you still get people complaining about your style instead of acknowledging the obvious!

About myself quickly:
Yes, i don't play poker full-time anymore. I'm still very confident in my abilities, students see it all the time in action. You wouldn't get people to say things they say (those who make 20-30k per month TODAY)...

Other than that, for those "worried", i've also been the most highly rated coach on pokerstrategy (username Raskolnikov), 50% of my videos were made video of the year...
then i stopped, because they censored too much (not myself, but other users) and some dummies there tried to correct poker play (no joke, one guy suggested that calling A5o HU in the big blind is bad).

That was the moment i knew pokerstrategy would go downwards if they let stupid people evaluate videos of coaches.

Anyways, if you have more questions, feel free to ask. Please don't ask me for links, unless somebody from Pokervip officially isn't worried about links etc.

I think pokervip does a great job for the poker community. We might not love each other on a personal basis, but i can always respect work, because i KNOW what it takes to get where pokervip and their partner sites are.

Best wishes!

Thx for the great review.

It's true, it's an investment, but just to clarify, it's only 15k If YOU make 30k.

People have paid me over 100k for LESS material/coaching than what people today get.

But only do it if it's a clear commitment, bc the last thing i want is unhappy people in the program, especially not those who are happy now!