Basically noone has a clue what is going to happen.

Anyone I have talked to who voted LEAVE, voted so because they believe that we would be better off making our own decisions and we will rise stronger on our own.
This is literally all the response they have. They have absolutely no arguments/evidence for leaving, and basically left on a whim.
Interesting the stats say that the younger generation voted remain, and the older generations voted leave.

From anyone I talked to, they have no evidence or facts which made them vote leave, they voted leave because they felt like it.

Lol so we have killjoy using his vote to rebel against Cameron and crazykeri who admits she knew pretty much fuck all about the whole thing.

Good job people... Good job.

I've lost 10% of my roll online anddd racisim is now at a high point in this country in my lifetime. My girlfriend and her family are scared they could be sent away as they are EU immigrants.

The country is divided and Nigel Farage is now the face of what 50% of the country think is good. A racist, lying dick who cares only about winning and will do and say anything to do it... Now he finally did.

No offense but those who voted as a protest are not only stupid but are the scum of the country. Why use this vote to protest? Fucking dipahits.

The impact may well not be huge and in 20 years when the EU has fallen we will be fine, but you have put our country at huge risk when we were out outperforming most of the world.

Again. Well done people well done

Well done mate, now we get Theresa may... Who fights against civil rights and has been described by number of people in the party hard to work with and nasty.

This is precisely the reason I hesitated in posting in here.

Firstly, you are just assuming I know fuck all, that is not the case. I felt I did not know as much as I should, given how much of an important decision it was because I have always steered clear of politics, I believe it is immersed in corruption and I have never felt the need or want to vote. However I did research and my choice to vote actually came from having deep discussions with mature adults who are strong on politics, on both sides which I am very close to and I felt strongly enough on the leave side to go and vote for the first time in my life, which in itself is a big thing for me.

I did not vote on a whim or in protest, I voted because I believed it was the right choice for this country and my family and children.

You know what Nick? It is because of people like you that this country is divided, on both sides. Immature, naive and aggressive. And sorry but what the hell has you losing 10% of your bankroll got to do with anything? lol.

Tell me, if your girlfriend was not an EU immigrant, would you feel so strongly? No of course you wouldn't, you are biased. You are not thinking about what is good for this country, only yourself. I sincerely hope that your girlfriend and her family gets to stay here I really do. Do not try to brand me and others racist. Of course there are some, there are too many like that in this world and yes they will all crawl out of the woodwork now, I would never condone that in anyway shape or form, but in my eyes it is common sense not racism. Its like being on board a boat and continually inviting more aboard. Eventually you are all going under, its not logical. Call it racist if you like but its a fact.

Immigration was not the main reason I voted anyway, it is a small part of it. The reason I voted goes much much deeper. Stop using social media as a weapon to divide this country and grow up.

Honestly, I'm not worried at all about my girlfriend being ousted as it isn't going to happen so that doesn't bias me at all. Also us coming out will have little effect on me personally so again I don't actually care.

What I'm angry about is people making their decision based on not liking Cameron or based on immigration. Neither of those should even be a factor! We colonised half of the world... Why the fuck should we have the right to say get out of our country?

You call me immature naive and aggressive. If you knew me personally you would know I'm none of these things, but thanks.

My Facebook posts again were based on the anger at people voting out of protest. I didn't, call you scum, I called the people who voted in protest scum and they are. Why would you votw out of the 3rd largest economy of the world just to get rid of cameron... When he was fucking resigning in 2-3years anyway?!

Also what impact does Cameron have on those peopes lives? Pretty much 0! Yet the EU has a huge impact on their lives and leaving it will screw them over first :')

I respect everyone who thought about the vote and went with what they felt was best, if that is what you did I'm happy you made that decision. It's people like killjoy who piss me off.

We were warned the backlash would be bad in the first few weeks/months and it has gone down exactly as the experts said. why so many people ignored that idk lol.

Also in regard to my bankroll: the point of this forum is to see how it is effecting people. This is how it has effected me and it hasn't made me happy

I have no opinion either way, this is satire and merely posted for fun:
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/british-lose-right-to-claim-that-americans-are-dumber

LONDON (The Borowitz Report)—Across the United Kingdom on Friday, Britons mourned their long-cherished right to claim that Americans were significantly dumber than they are.

Luxuriating in the superiority of their intellect over Americans’ has long been a favorite pastime in Britain, surpassing in popularity such games as cricket, darts, and snooker.

But, according to Alistair Dorrinson, a pub owner in North London, British voters have done irreparable damage to the “most enjoyable sport this nation has ever known: namely, treating Americans like idiots.”

“When our countrymen cast their votes yesterday, they didn’t realize they were destroying the most precious leisure activity this nation has ever known,” he said. “Wankers.”

In the face of this startling display of national idiocy, Dorrinson still mustered some of the resilience for which the British people are known. “This is a dark day,” he said. “But I hold out hope that, come November, Americans could become dumber than us once more.”

Hahahahahhahahahaha Make America Great Again!!!!

lol @CycleVancouver - Have to say I love that!

@CrazyCookie But the world is a very large place, we are a tiny little island, its not the same. If there is an instance where we were running another country into the ground then I would say the same thing. I don't think people who are here should be deported or anything like that, but we need to tighten the borders for sure, its just not sustainable at this rate.

I get what you are saying about what Killjoy said and others along the same lines and I agree, people should not vote on something like this over something like that, as much as I dislike Cameron, butttt I don't agree with calling them scum, idiots etc, that is immature and aggressive in my eyes.. Unfortunately that is the system. Sad truth is anyone could walk in, close their eyes and tick a box without even giving it a thought, but thats just the way it is.

Do be careful with how you use the word racist by the way. Honestly what your post insinuated is that half of the country is supporting racism and that could get you into a lot of conflict. I was offended by it to say the least.

What people ignored that though? Everyone I know who voted out fully expected it, its come as no shock to anyone. Its about the long term though, a bit like poker I suppose, you can't just play for the short term. Many of the young voters on the remain side voted remain because they were worried they would be broke and rightly so, but actually I think it shows strength of the people that the majority of this country were willing to take that risk in order to be independent.

Serious question. Does anyone really think the UK wont recover from this? You say we were "out performing most of the world"- Although I don't like your wording, I get what you are saying. But do you think that is because of the EU? Is the UK where it is now because of the EU? And does anyone really think trading with the EU will cease forever more? Of course it won't, people value our produce and our market too much and if they really want to be so petty, then we wont have any problem just trading with the rest of the world. but I would bet it will happen anyway, probably much sooner then everyone anticipates.

What is it about remain that people feel so strongly about anyway? This is a genuine question and one I am yet to find a solid answer for. Maybe I just live on another planet (its quite possible) but anyone feel free to jump in with your reasonings, I am interested to know. Like you say its not about you gf and it doesn't effect you, so what is so bad about leaving? It seems like an all round win with short term effects to me.

And stop playing like a donk then lol!

Right, I didn't insiuate half the country is racist at all.

In regards to us in the world as an economy. No it isn't just because we are in the EU, but coming out puts us at potential risk of disaster. Why would you take that risk?

People do not value our product anywhere near as much as we like to think, and although we will I'm sure continue to trade, the EU have the chance to say fuck you Britain and make an example of us. They are angry and do not want others leaving. Sure, I think we will continue to trade with them, but not without allowing freedom of movement.

Out of interest what olare the benefits you see for you and your family? Not for one moment saying there aren't any but I'm curious to know exactly what you think they are.

Like I said, you used your vote in the way it was intended and I think that is great, but for people to stick their fingers up to "the establishment" and leave to get one over on them is scummy. It effectively says I'm going to put my point across and do something that I have no idea of the consequences (or even worse they did know and ignored them) just to fuck you over. That isn't time to do it! You have a general election to do that and council elections to do that.

Thats what it looked like I meant, I am sure you do not think that lol.

Because I think we stand a better chance of improving this country and making it a better place to live independently. Look I have no faith in the monetary system and our corrupt governments altogether really. We'd all be living in The Venus Project if it were my choice lol but for me this is our best hope of moving forward for the better quite simply.

What I meant was because of brexit the racists in hibernation are coming out and people who were slightly racist all of a sudden are joining them, not that everyone who voted leave was racist

Just on the independant thing, what is it do you think we now have independance over? Like, I had this conversation with tonne of leave voters and they all say "we are now independent and have control" and it's like ok... what of? And no oneeeeeeeeee knows.

In terms of government and monetary system... without a government there would be no laws which would be a very uncivil society :') Our government is not corrupt compared to the vast majority of governments out there, and the fact they gave us this vote shows that. Ok politicians lie... but so do ALL politicians everywhere, I thought people knew that :') In terms of money, if we didn't have money or currency then again society would be... interesting!

Moreover, we can't change the government/currency, but voting to leave the EU has weakened our currency and divided government, reshaped british politics- and not for the better with an anti gay, anti human rights activist May heading the tories, Hippie Corbyn splitting his party up and Fucktard Farage able to do what the fuck he wants!

I'm not saying I hate people who voted leave, I'm just saying that people were not given a fair argument and were sold lie upon lie from the leave campaign who picked up the racist vote, picked up the anti cameron vote and picked up the UK Independence (even tho we call most of the shots and have a big say in Europe) vote. Right now we have a veto in Europe and a say in what goes on there, now we are out we have none, and if people think oh great they can fuck up now, we do not want Europe to fuck up because a poor, corrupt divided Europe has happened before... in the 1910's-40's and that didn't go well!

I'm by no means saying that we are doomed, but by leaving the UK has the potential in starting something far greater, and far more terrifying than a lot of people ever thought. There is of course upside, and ideally the EU will suffer but remain and eventually break up in a good way and we will be ahead in the world. Also hopefully people will come together in a united Britain, but if either of those things don't happen, which is more likely because we a) got to vote and b) voted leave, then there will be downsides and potentially big downsides.

Forget all the anger from the earlier exchanges. This is a very nice summary.

It might all be fine but the world is a more right wing, less inclusive and open place than it was last month. The minority of bigoted pricks across the UK believe the Leave vote means half the country agrees with them and have now started shouting louder.

With Putin on the border flexing his muscles and looking at the Eastern European NATO states there, and right wing groups winning votes and emboldened by the Leave camps success its not a pretty picture across Europe. If the EU falls that will get worse. If it doesn't we are left out in the cold.

There are some good reasons to leave. Deutche bank is the greatest structural risk in world banking right now, a Lehmans Mk 2. Trade with US, India and China might improve, especially with our shattered £ and that is where the growth is. However none of the reasons anyone actually voted to leave were real.

Immigration will not change unless we decide not to deal with Europe in which case the economy is knackered.
We already had control, nothing will change. No leave leader can name a single thing that they would have done differently but the EU stopped them. If anything now we have less control.
We might get good trade deals outside the EU but we have no-one in our country who has ever negotiated one as was all done in EU, so would you back our novices to get good terms?
There is no £350m per week.
Cameron was going to leave anyway and instead we are going to get something much much worse. Cameron fucks dead pigs, May will fuck us all. I wouldn't be surprised if the evil lizard that wore the Thatcher skin is back in power. This lizard is not for turning.

In any case who cares. Society as we know it will end in my lifetime anyway. 1m migrants a year from the bombing of Syria is a trickle, and Europe can't handle that. Global warming, increasing resource pressure and population growth in Africa will lead to a tidal wave of migration. Millions upon millions. We will all end up voting for Trumps and La Pens to put up walls with guns on them. Dystopian doesn't cover it.

Come on weird genius inventors! We need spaceships to get resources from outer space, or limitless fusion energy, or something. Make the Venus project real, like the society from Star Trek. You've got like 50 years and counting to make it happen.

In short to the best of my knowledge...

- No control over our own laws. Everytime there has been a new law that UK ministers have voted against (a lot more times then you would think) they have been out voted every single time, 100%. So they could decide whatever they wanted and even if we hated it, we would be outvoted.

- Ability to deport violent criminals and terrorists

- UK Intelligence services on Terrorism

- Refugee control

- Immigration control

Probably loads more that I am not aware of and that would continue to grow. Control over all of the above has slowly increased over time, to the point where they were taking over and we had no say. It wouldn't have been long before they had all of the control, absolutely no doubt. You have to think why this referendum came about, people here who are trying to run our country are not happy.

For me personally I cannot understand why people do not care much about this. These decisions have to be made by the people who live here because it is us it effects not them.

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Anyway, spreading the now

- Ability to deport violent criminals and terrorists

I'd rather detain them than deport and they then come back in... Also if they aren't from EU ofc we can deport them.

- UK Intelligence services on Terrorism

Wrong. We share infonarion freely with the EU, my friend works in anti Terrorism and he said coming out would hurt us as other countries will not share info and we no say in anti Terrorism in Europe.

- Refugee control
If they aren't from the EU we have control don't we?

- Immigration control
Yeah... If we keep trading with Europe thennnn we will have to be in the free movement so maybe but most likely not.

Also, as we are in the EU we have a say and on all of these things anyway. Like people talk as if it's the EU minus UK making laws when we are involved. Our say was also pretty big as we are there 2nd/3rd biggest economy...

Most laws are also very good for us, eg human rights...

This is the thing though, the bullshit the leave campaign said made people believe all of this when it is simple not true :'(

We could bounce back and forth about this for a while but I think I've said all I want to say on this thread now so I am closing my involvement.

Nice discussion though and peaceful debating all, will leave you to it

Not even getting involved. I had a right to vote, and had my reasons for voting. Nothing else can be said.

People like you shouldn't have the right to vote, your attitude towards politics clearly suggests your IQ is lower than the pig Cameron fucked.

With all due respect, people above certain IQ realize that argumentum ad rem is much more desirable than argumentum ad hominem so your post is kind of a double edge sword if you will. I understand that this topic is extremely important and controversial for UK residents, but I'm sure we can keep it civil.

UK is now in full cat mode. Cat voted with UKIP because he loves anything purrrr-ple.

Yes yes yes use your fancy words to show off and make it clear you are far more intelligent than me.

It isn't the fact we left that annoys me, honestly I don't care it's how people used the vote to protest that annoyed me so much.