CrazyCookie

The blog you posted is interesting. It would be very interesting to see updated data. People are probably learning how to play against it, so the results may be little different these days.Well, I can not beat it. That´s something I know.

I'm not sure enough people are playing Snowie properly tbh. So many will get it play against it without really focusing or making hero plays because it isn't real money so I wouldn't be surprised if the gap between word class and beginer has grown. I'm so far beating it for about 9bb/100 over nearly 8k hands. Tiny sample but I don't feel it is really crushing me and I'm just running good, probably a few buy ins +EV but certainly not enough to make me losing to it a tonne

Yeah, I suppose that larger sample size is needed. We have a little different approach. I try to play against it by "its own rules" which means like calling a lot from bb against Snowie´s minraises because that is a right decision against it. IWhen I sit on the real money tables, I just try to adjust to real players who make a lot more mistakes. Snowie feels like laboratory setting. One thing worth mentioning is, that Snowie is a great warm up before sitting on the tables, and yeah training with it will make many decisions more automatic so you have time and energy to focus on the tough, not so standard situations. I hope you learn a lot from it and make your way to NL100!

Spot I do not understand with Snowie

I open 99 OTB and BB calls. Flop TQ8 monotone and it goes x/x. Turn is a J giving me 8-Q. I bet 75% pot and snowie raises pretty big (2x pot). I call, river pairs the T and we go x/x. Snowie shows A4o and I win

Snowie says the turn call is a BLUNDER.

Now at first I figured he must only do this with K9o and A2-5x 5% each or something. Not a blunder IRL as players do this with two pairs and sets enough of the time for it to be a clear +EV call- we have the 2nd nuts!

BUT

Snowie's x/r range here is ALL bluffs.... not 9x not sets no K9.... how is my call, with 96% equity (4% chop) v his entire range a blunder??? How Snowie HOWWWWWWWWW???

Is it because you should have raised? Was his range all air? No two pair that might bink or any draw to the flush or better straight? If he was planning to check fold every time he missed, you would lose no equity by jamming there?

Dunno, cannot for the world see how folding would be the best play there.

No, no two pairs or straights he might have had some fd but I don't think so. Was telling me to fold.

Jamming would be OK if he does it with sets but if he doesn't then hamming would be silly as he folds 100% and doesn't get the chance to shove as a bluff.

Had a crazy busy week this week so slacked a bit with my plans to study flops & ranges and didn't memorize many of my opening ranges :/

But I did play snow for a few k hands and am now over 9k. I'll update with graph, blunders, error details etc. when I hit the 10k hands (Hopefully Tuesday?)

Few hands of interest:

Hero opens KQo OTB BB 3b hero calls
Flop K75rb BB bet 50% pot Hero calls
Turn 5 BB check Hero?
Thoughts: We bluff here a fair amount with our floats (Qx BW/Ax BW BDFD) but also have some 7x we check and worse Kx. Should we value bet this? Feel like our range needs more value hands but this hand probably has a higher EV by checking back OTT?

BTN opens OTB hero calls A9o in BB
Flop K75 (2 tone, hero blocks NFD). Hero checks BTN cbets 50% pot. Hero?
Thoughts: Check call with Kx and any other pair, weaker fd. Hero x/r sets, K7s some nfd/ some weaker fd. Should we put this in bluff range? Can’t really x/c but can x/r blocking bfd to bluff later on.
Hero x/r BTN call
Turn 7 Hero should give up but got for stab as we can have K7 77 75s maybe BTN can’t have anything except Kx which will

Your video has now gone live on the site Here. Great work as always and will comment and question about some hands shortly.

CrazyCookie: Had a crazy busy week this week so slacked a bit with my plans to study flops & ranges and didn't memorize many of my opening ranges :/

But I did play snow for a few k hands and am now over 9k. I'll update with graph, blunders, error details etc. when I hit the 10k hands (Hopefully Tuesday?)

Few hands of interest:

Hero opens KQo OTB BB 3b hero calls
Flop K75rb BB bet 50% pot Hero calls
Turn 5 BB check Hero?
Thoughts: We bluff here a fair amount with our floats (Qx BW/Ax BW BDFD) but also have some 7x we check and worse Kx. Should we value bet this? Feel like our range needs more value hands but this hand probably has a higher EV by checking back OTT?

I think KQo would make a good 4bet here. Given Snowies range from the BUvsBB contains so many combinations of Axs i would argue that KQo,KJo, make the best 4bet bluffs as they don't block Ax hands. However when facing a 3bets OOP you want to 4bet hands that block Ax because the 3bet value range is tighter which subsequently means the bluff range is smaller. This is why Ax hands OOP make great 4bet bluffs as they block the hands we want them to block IE, AK,AQ,AJ,AA.

Flop: I think we should stick to calling our entire range here given the rainbow texture of the board. Our best floats are going to want to be hands like AQ,AJ,A,10,JQ, 9,8,7,8 with BFDs preferably. The 4 first 4 hands are good as they block top top pair and have backdoor straight draws and can contain backdoor flush draws. The last 2 hands are good because they allow us to 2 barrel on particular runouts while keeping our value bet range polarized to 2 pair plus on the turn.

Turn: We obviously want to bet all our sets and 2 pairs and all our floats. However, with our more mid strength hands like KQoKJo,10s,99s,88s, pairs, and some flush draws, i think a check/back is inorder. I expect Snowie to check a lot of his range on this turn including AAs,AK as this card is so much more favorable for you then it is for Snowie. We also need some top pair hands to protect the weaker parts of our range we will be checking back on the turn.

BTN opens OTB hero calls A9o in BB
Flop K75 (2 tone, hero blocks NFD). Hero checks BTN cbets 50% pot. Hero?
Thoughts: Check call with Kx and any other pair, weaker fd. Hero x/r sets, K7s some nfd/ some weaker fd. Should we put this in bluff range? Can’t really x/c but can x/r blocking bfd to bluff later on.

I can find a argument for X/calling here. We have overs, blockers to the nut flush draws, blockers to top pair, it also has a lot of potential for later street bluffs. If we do call, we could possibly raise turn on any flush completing or we can lead river when it checks/through. Also, i forgot to mention it gives some bluff potential on any, 6,8,7,5. However, i don't think a raise is terrible however i would prefer so on a lower board as 6,8,2 people Cbet these to much.

Hero x/r BTN call
Turn 7 Hero should give up but got for stab as we can have K7 77 75s maybe BTN can’t have anything except Kx which will

We should give up here. At this point, Snowie has more combinations of value hands then we do. AK,77,55,K,5,AAs,KKS, KQ which we have some off but not all off.

The two spots I mention in the video:

AKo squeeze pre- Snowie thinks this is fine to squeeze and call but only a +0.94 EV. OTF Snowie suggests we should bet more often than check but both have the same EV. I would now lean more towards a bet and certainly in in a normal cash game because villain can have some Ax that call here but not when the board gets worse and there are a tone of draws I don't want to give a free card to. OTT as played Snowie suggests checking btu betting isn't -EV (just very slightly lower EV than checking). I think if we bet flop we should check here 100% and ap like Snowie I don't think it makes enough of a difference to matter. We may want to check to protect KK & QQ some. River is a clear check

88 call pre call river- Snowie is advocating folding most of hte time (92%) of the time OTR, but includes it some of the time. Makes us realise that we really did have the worst bluff catcher in our range and was super close. That being said, I would prefer to fold 100% in game as people don't bluff enough. Snowie checks flop 67.5% of the time with high card so I think betting would be fine OTF. OTT 45% of hsi range are high card and the rest of his range I lsee to. IF someone has this strat IRL then calling flop to fold river 100% I think is nutty as we probably expect villain to check flop a lot when he misses making the call turn quite largely +EV

OTR Snowie bluffs 41% of the time and given we only need 33% to cal 88 is a +EV call but IRL I think folding is best

you do understand that snowie is NOT gto? if you are looking into gto postflop spots i would rather recommend piosolver/simple postflop

Yeup, not trying to use it to be good at GTO, using it to improve. Have said many times it isn't GTO

What is piosolver?

Computer you can play against, but it doesn't record your hands so it is just something to play against. It kearsn your style and improves against you so may well be a great tool to play against to try and reach more of a gto approach.

But for me it isn't which software I use it is how I use it. People will see this journey and assume I'm using it to try and reach a gto solution through PokerSnowie. This is not and has never been why/how I've ussed and will use it. Read what I have put rather than just commenting please, repeating myself is boring AF

y sry^^

Are you still training with Snowie?

I just watched your 3-part video series. Interesting stuff. Since I know Snowie's pre-flop ranges pretty well, I knew it was gonna hate some of your 3-bets and 4-bets. I'm kind of surprised that you've been beating the bots when your 3b/4b bluffs are (in Snowie's opinion) sub-optimal, but I guess you've been running quite well. I beat it sometimes, but I think it's mostly just due to variance, as I make some pretty huge blunders from time to time.

Not much now, I think I was +8bi against it over 10k hands or so

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