Posted 8 years ago
@Jon-PokerVIP by OPLs, you mean Online Poker League?

Just checked the site, League looks super nice, but not sure how many tournaments I would be able to play. But now I can see that only top10 results are counted for total score, so it shouldn't really matter how many tournaments I play.

Fuck it, lets do that.

Only thing I need, is to get some money on Skrill. I deposited all I had there to BV to loose it there and can not withdraw until I have reload bonus. Unfortunately I don't have my card linked to it...

Which brings the question. Anybody willing to borrow me couple of euros on Skrill? I can send to Bank account or later back to Skrill when I ship 1st tournament or close reload bonus Smile





Posted 8 years ago
i tried to depoit to pokersite just the other day an wouldnt let me says sorry this is a gambling site this deposit is not allowed. why not just use bank card to deposit to ur poker client
Posted 8 years ago*
pokershark: i tried to depoit to pokersite just the other day an wouldnt let me says sorry this is a gambling site this deposit is not allowed. why not just use bank card to deposit to ur poker client


I don't use my credit card for any kind of deposits/cash-outs to the gambling sites. Its just my rule. I find Skrill + Skrill Card very efficient for this.

Sometimes I have similar problem like today, when I have all money at one client and blocked by reload bonus for example. But solving this problem usually takes me 1hour. I already have money for whole OPL season at Skrill from friend of mine Smile

BTW: what poker sites are you talking about? I have never had similar problem. I think you just need to confirm that those money are for gambling. Thats basically what is skrill for.
Posted 8 years ago
@Jon-PokerVIP registered for 1st OPL tournament. 100 points w8 for me.
Posted 8 years ago
1 OPL tournament and I earned 1st point, thats not bad at all Smile Was card dead whole tournament, except KK in 3rd hand where I had to fold turn on A high board.

Lost T7s vs 77 where I 3bet steal CO open from @jongordon84 for 14bb.
Posted 8 years ago
mattusko: 1 OPL tournament and I earned 1st point, thats not bad at all Smile Was card dead whole tournament, except KK in 3rd hand where I had to fold turn on A high board.

Lost T7s vs 77 where I 3bet steal CO open from @jongordon84 for 14bb.


You sure this was me? I don't recall this hand.

It's just one tournament. Play a few more...
Posted 8 years ago
jongordon84:
mattusko: 1 OPL tournament and I earned 1st point, thats not bad at all Smile Was card dead whole tournament, except KK in 3rd hand where I had to fold turn on A high board.

Lost T7s vs 77 where I 3bet steal CO open from @jongordon84 for 14bb.


You sure this was me? I don't recall this hand.

It's just one tournament. Play a few more...


0flushgordon isn't this your nick in SJ? maybe I was talking to wrong guy all the time, hehe Laugh

will play couple more for sure Smile
Posted 8 years ago
mattusko: 1. Is it good to 3bet and Cbet most of the flops against player who has 60%+ fold to C-bet in 3bet pots? (This is big for me atm)


For instant profit, yes. As long as your betsize is good. If you cbet 66% of the pot opponent needs to fold over 40% to make it profitable. This is simple poker math a concept that everyone should practise to high level of automation.

mattusko: 2. Is it good to isolate limper(s), with better marginal hands (AQT* ss) etc when there is a big chance that blinds and then also limpers will call my raise anyway?

If you know that it is going to be a multiway pot, you want to have a multiwaypot hand (= nut potential). AQTx with suited Ace is definitely an open as any hand that has potential to dominate opponents. If you hit the nuts or nut draw, usually opponents are just calling postflop. Here is two situation compared, where hero bets 3/4 cbet for 3 streets:
Limped pot, pot size on the flop: 4.
Flop (4): hero bets 3, gets one call.
Turn (10): hero bets 7,5, gets one call.
River (25): hero bets 18, gets one call.
Total value gained postflop: 28,5bb.

Raised pot, pot size on the flop: 12
Flop (12): hero bets 8, gets one call.
Turn (28): hero bets 21, gets one call.
River (70): hero bets 52,5, gets one call.
Total value gained postflop: 81,5bb.

Extreme example, but it shows the difference when hero gets 3 streets of value. When we have a hand that has the potential to hit for 3 streets of value, limping is bad option imo.

mattusko: 3. Is it good to raise fishy openers from blinds with better marginal hands when there is big chance that flop will be 3 way plus?

It depends how they play in 3bet pots, and how likely it will be multiway pot. If it's going to be 3+ way pot, you don't really have a lot of folding equity postflop. So you need to have strong range, and get your edge from range. I would advice that 3bet only strong hands if it is going to be multiway pot.

mattusko: 4. Is it good to 3bet weak offsuit Aces when flop is usually 3way plus anyway?

It depends, just remember that you don't HAVE TO 3bet Aces. When you 3bet, most opponents think their flop situation against Aces, even when they know you have wider 3bet range. So when you actually have crappy Aces they are going to play quite prefectly against you and the value comes from either hitting your side cards, opponents calling incorrectly or folding too much. Of course if you can get SPR 1 or less on the flop, 3betting even crappy Aces is a valid option in 3way pot.

mattusko: 5. Should I call weak or semi weak KK**, QQ**, JJ** hands to 3bet?

No. When you have a pocket pair it reduces your chances to hit the flop hard enough to stack off.

mattusko: 6. Is it good to call KQT* ss, KJT*ss, hands from blinds when pot is going to be multyway?

It depends on opponents. If they give a lot of value with weaker hands, then yes.

mattusko: 7. How should I start learning, what videos to watch, who, where? Are 2-3 years old videos still actual for the game today?

Watch my videos here in Pokervip of course. Laugh

PLO from Scratch is nice as it has pretty much all the information you need for good standard play.

I just watched an interview of one PLO player and he said that the difference between him and other players is that most of the players don't do any work outside the tables. I totally agree on this one. I have coached about 200 players and even from those motivated players only few actually do work outside the tables in correct way. Despite most of my students agreement to do it.

Yeah everybody watched videos and read an article every now and then. The problem is that 99% of the players who think they are doing the work doesn't understand how we learn stuff. There are four levels in all of our skills, and for some they are familiar from Tendler's book. When you watch a video and find something new, that skill is at level of conscious incompetence. You know what it is and you know you don't do it yet. Then you might think it a bit and try it at tables, and maybe it works. It becomes to level of conscious competence. You can do it when you focus on it. And this is where most of the players stop.

The thing is that at this level you can use the skill only when you focus to it. So it is in your A-game. It takes a lot of brain resources, which leaves less resources to other decisions. You need to learn it to the highest level, which is unconscious competence. Then the work is done at unconscious level, which is a LOT faster than conscious level. The more you learn your poker skills to this level, the more resources you have for more complicated and new things to learn and to use at the tables.

Here is an example, are facing a scary turn card and opponent bets on us. We have a draw. We have 30sec time bank.

Stupid Simon, who hasn't practised his stuff uses the time bank this way:
0-10sec: Oh shit! That turn is so bad, I knew it. Damn!
10-15sec: Ok, I need to think this.
15-20sec: Can he have a better hand?
20-25sec: Oh shit the timer is going down!
25-30sec: FUUUCK!!!! What do I do?

Smart Suzy, who has practised her skill to higher level:
(she has defined opponent's range on the flop already)
0-5sec: He bets and that card hits his range. He is passive one so it is really likely that he has a better hand, which he is representing.
5-10sec: [counting outs, estimating equity and comparing it to pot odds]
10-12sec: [counting required implied odds]
12-20sec: If I hit my draw, will I get those required implied odds? Are there some rivers that I can bluff?
20-30sec: [makes the action after double checking]

If Suzy keeps practising those things, she might do all of that thinking is just few seconds.

So the bottom line is this: if you don't learn you existing skills to the high level (goal is unconscious competence) you cannot really learn a lot of new skills.

As most players don't put any effort outside the tables to really master the basic decisions, most of the new stuff they are learning from videos etc. are not going to be presented in the game often.

Think about athlete. I have never seen a hockey player that uses one hour to practise a slap shot and then says "I know how to do this now, I don't have to practise this ever again". There is a huge difference in learning something and mastering it.
Posted 8 years ago
@Kyyberi Thanks for this !!! Especially for point 7.

My action plan now looks like this:

1. Build solid basics. - PLO from scratch looks as perfect material which should keep me busy for at least for month.
2. Reduce tables to 4. - This will be hard. I was used to play 12-18 tables when playing sng. But if I apply point 3. Four tables should keep me busy for some time.
3. And comment every hand which is dealt to me. This is probably only way how to master basic.


3. And comment every hand which is dealt to me
- Which category is my hand (premium, marginal, trash)
- Does my hand play better in multiway or HU pot.
- What is my position and what is the action before me
- What are the players types involved in the hand

and then do similar evaluation on later streets.

Thanks one more time. I don't want to be pussy and give up after couple of lost BIs, so I need to work harder. Lets see of what I am capable in Omaha world Smile
Posted 8 years ago
played a session today. It was another weird session. I think I played nice but run very bad. Every time in 3bet pots or in what ever pot, where I had Big cards, flop was 8 high, when i had 789T flop was AAQ ofc all the time in different suit.

What was good, I tried to talk to myself about hands and do decisions according to something i have learned in past days. I was more confident.

Will continue with work and results will come sooner or later.

Posted 8 years ago
another session 8bi under EV. thinking about cashout. And start using my free time for some other activities, not only poker.
Posted 8 years ago
Probably need to go back to PLO5 my BR is not really healthy for plo10 atm. which means back to Poker Stars and zoom. Once I win 30bi there I will move back to plo10.
Posted 8 years ago
Today I have a meeting with property advisor (guy who will arrange all the stuff when buying house). After this meeting I will try to learn something and then apply it to the tables.

From today I will play plo5, bcs still doing a mistakes and they will cost me less there. I hope 40 BI will be enough. haha bcs I don't want to deposit more atm.

Posted 8 years ago
Good reminder for me: Release the video! Will do it asap bro sorry for the wait.

Good luck
Posted 8 years ago
Jon-PokerVIP: Good reminder for me: Release the video! Will do it asap bro sorry for the wait.

Good luck


Nice, looking forward to see it. Thanks
Posted 8 years ago
today I recap plo from scratch part 2 and played 1.5K hands session. Finished +3bi.

bi won at plo5 before I move up to plo10
3/30
Posted 8 years ago
watched live play video from plo25 (not able to find a lot of videos from plo10). and play quiet a long session of 2,5K hands. ended up 2,5bi. Had couple of interesting hands. Maybe I should post some of them finally to HJ forum.

bi won at plo5 before I move up to plo10
5,5/30

Also during the weekend I will try to record 15min video of me playing + commenting 2 tables of plo5.
Posted 8 years ago
Start watching leak finder from @Kyyberi and after 5 min I can clearly see that there is a lot of things to work on.

I already started with:
- color coding players
- started to check showdowns, and this is nuts. You can do instant note of some players there.
- started to Cbet most of the HU pots. This works well as you already said.

also

My HUD is still not working on zoom tables. I think my windows PC is too bad for that. Not sure how to fix it without buying new windows laptop. One option is to move to normal tables, but I would like to do that from plo10.


And played a short session. Run good and finished +6bi at plo5 zoom tables.

biggest pot of the session:

Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
$0.02/$0.05Zoom Pot Limit Omaha Hi PokerStars
6 Players

Blinds$0.02/$0.056
UTG Amanolis10 $9.83
UTG+1 Bonzaimagic $12.49
CO PeDKo22 $10.50
D pete korea $3.87
SB jonciks2009 $7.77
BBHero $14.73
Preflop
6$0.07Hero is BB65AA
1 fold, Bonzaimagic calls $0.05, 1 fold, pete korea calls $0.05, jonciks2009 calls $0.03, Hero raises to $0.25, Bonzaimagic calls $0.20, pete korea calls $0.20, jonciks2009 raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $2, Bonzaimagic calls $1.75, pete korea calls $1.75, jonciks2009 calls $1.50
Flop
4$888A
jonciks2009 goes all-in $5.77, Hero goes all-in$12.73, 2 folds
Turn
2$26.50, 2 all-in 5
River
2$26.50, 2 all-in 2
Final Pot$26.50
jonciks2009 shows three of a kind, Eights JQ68
Hero shows a full house, Aces full of Eights 65AA

Hero wins$25.74 (net +$11.01)
pete korea lost $2
jonciks2009 lost $7.77
Bonzaimagic lost $2


bi won at plo5 before I move up to plo10
11.5/30
Posted 8 years ago
Today is Pool day and I will go to play tournament after work. Tournament with "Big Boys", which means that I will be one of the worst players there (its like taking a shot to higher limits in poker. Maybe more like from nl5 to nl25 :D). I hope I can win at least one or two games before they send me home. And of course 2 hours of practice before.

Maybe I will be home soon enough to play one short session.
Posted 8 years ago
Taking shots at pool! Nice man gl