How wide are you 3betting the btn what % of hands do you know ? this would be a 3bet 5bet for me, the btn should be a really active position for you with 3betting. Id be 3betting somewhere around 6% on the btn with a value range to 5bet of QQ+ AK vs ep , Vs the C/o id be 3betting somewhere around 9%

Button vs UTG:
I always 3bet KK and AA.
QQ and AK, AKs I flat vs unknown players and regs.
QQ and AK, AKs, I 3-bet vs fishy looking players (also sometimes JJ and AQs)

I think that can be an issue for you even if you balance correctly with bluffs , KK+ and bluffs probably looks something like 2.3% or QQ+ AK so even with bluffs you still look super nutted so its really really hard for anyone to give you action.

Not really sure i'm the best person to give you advise on range construction, i might do more harm than good to your game, and i don't want to give you any costly advise. I don't feel confident enough to hand out advise on this tbh.

I call QQ OTB v UTG. They are not getting JJ in so we stack v AA, KK AK and QQ. Not great. We can also just call the 4b ofc.

AP don't raise flop. We have so many better hands to do it with and when we get reraised what is your plan? We fold out all air and only get value from Jx which we likely get similar value from by calling down.

Why no river bet? Villain very rately has a better hand than you here. Bet like 35% and get the extra value bro!

Ppl will likely look at 3b then btn3b stat. We 3b a lot more btn v CO which raises it up. My 3b range looks something like A2-5s KK+ sometimes QQ+ but not always, AKs.
V MP I add in QQ, AKo and a few suited one gappers (97s 86s I think)
V CO I add JJ sometimes AQs and a few more hands like Q9sK9s

@cookie


KK+ A2s-A5s is 2.1% , it looks super nutted even polerized with bluffs so its hard for you to get action , the one thing people do when facing an aggressive 3 bettor is either call to much even oop, or fight back to light as they are not sure what to do in those spots.

You cant add QQ AK unless you have an appropriate amount of bluffs other wise your range is just to unbalanced , id be 3betting 34 combos for value QQ+ AK and balance it with around 50 combos of bluffs vs EP, vs the C/o i add JJ to my 3b 5b range and mix in a merged range of JJ+ AK and 40 or so combos of bluffs and add some Ax for value that i will 3bet fold for value ip.

My 3bet stats aren't really off the scale either from all positions my 3bet is around 8% which i think is very reasonable , what is your 3bet stat from all positions ?

This is interesting. I will follow.

I'm 3betting UTG... I want to be fairly nutted!! Not many people will look at btn v utg 3b stat and if they do it won't mean much anyway as MP and co defend against it enough so it will give them no information at all. If people look at my 3b of around 9 say they will assume I 3b more otb so utg will still do something silly.

We don't have to balance our range in this spot either. We are against a position which is opening tight and therefore we want to 3b tight. Having an unbalanced range to exploit the fact that we know villain has a strong range is more important here.

I am not sure what my 3b stat is as I don't use a HUD anymore and looking at stats doesn't help me. I believe my 3b range in that spot is around 3% so I may include KQo in that spot also will have to check. I believe it will come out as around 8-10 overall but I couldn't tell you exactly (and I have only about 6k sample at a guess using new ranges in real games.)

The ranges I'm using are working fine v Snowie over 10k hands tho...

I will check my 3b range when I add QQ and AK. I am 100% sure that when I set it up with my friend we discussed it at length and got a very good bluff/value balance in each spot.

In one respect we are saying villains aren't observant enough to read stats , and probably more likely are just recreational players, in the other respect we are giving them to much credit for knowing what ranges to open and defend vs us.

Your range of KK+ A2s-A5s isn't unbalanced either , its only a couple of combos short of being 40/60 value , bluff ratio. I just think vs unknowns its to tight and loses to much value to not be 3betting these hands for value. You can always adjust your ranges and strategy vs villains as you gain more and more info on them.

I don't think there is anything wrong with being tighter though , alot of people will flat AK and QQ on the btn , i used to myself.

No I'm not :') I'm saying players who have information will not have (often) btn 3b v EP. They will look at btn 3b or even just 3b. V a fish I will of course 3b wider for value and I think my range has some kj kind of combos in there.

I didn't say my range is unbalanced. I said I want it to be value heavy as KK hasn't got the same equity it does in a btn v CO spot and stacking QQ is not going to make you money v regs. It's EV is going to be fairly low when 3b as villain stacks QQ+ and AK and we block k the hands we dominate like aqs kqs.

I've spent a lot of hours constructing my ranges in every spot and have found this one is works perfectly fine. Every coach I have had says to flat QQ and AKo OTB untill we have a read and my own experience backs this up so yaknow...

@CrazyCookie

KK+ A2s-A5s isn't value heavy , its bluff heavy, 12 combos of KK+ for value and 16 combos of A2s-A5s as bluffs , its pretty much spot on for a 40/60 value/bluff ratio its just a tight range. Which is perfectly fine.