NL10 A8s

Posted 8 years ago

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$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem PokerStars
5 Players

Blinds$0.05/$0.105
UTG ZaKARINU $10
CO daton2 $10.26
D gilgamesh $11.32
SBHero $10.95
BB Caesar $10
Preflop
5$0.15Hero is SB8A
2 folds, gilgamesh raises to $0.20, Hero calls$0.15, 1 fold
Flop
2$0.50Q35
Hero checks, gilgamesh bets $0.33, Hero raises to $1.10, gilgamesh raises to $4.50, Hero goes all-in$10.75, gilgamesh calls $6.25
Turn
2$22, 1 all-in Q
River
2$22, 1 all-in 4
Final Pot$22
gilgamesh shows Three of a kind, Threes 33
Hero shows High card Ace 8A

gilgamesh wins $20.90 (net +$9.95)
Hero lost$10.95
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Posted 8 years ago
Postflop seems absolutely fine to me considering our outs and even the backdoor straight. I don't really like preflop though. I'd prefer to either 3 bet or fold SB vs BTN. It's just much harder to play OOP without the initiative and we obviously don't mind folding A8s to a 4bet.
Posted 8 years ago
Hi there

I completely agree with what Rigdigs said, you should either 3b or fold preflop. As played I like Hero's flop line.

GL
Posted 8 years ago*
I would 3bet PF as Rigdigs mentioned!

I would fold after villain 3bets you on the flop. He's not doing this with a smaller FD's. Best case scenario, he has 46. All sets + AA/KK possible. We'd be a slight underdog vs. KK and in pretty bad shape against the rest

Sure, we have equity with our draw... But no fold equity when he takes this line

Posted 8 years ago
I actually don't mind a flat pre assuming the player in the BB folds a lot to steals or has the check or fold button selected.

On the flop check raise is absolutely fine and I like your sizing but after he 3bets you are always behind and you have 0 fold equity unless he's a complete maniac. So the flop is a fold since he 3bet you really big you're not getting the price to call and you have no fold equity to shove so I think this is a pretty easy fold on flop.
Posted 8 years ago
@ Scraper

Woah, I think raise/folding here is a crucial mistake. If you raise this flop you must have the intention to get all the money in. It's not like we're super happy to get it in, and we're more often than not going to be racing as a slight dog but with all the dead money in and the odds we're getting there is literally no way you can fold this without setting money on fire Wink
Posted 8 years ago
Rigdigs: @ Scraper

Woah, I think raise/folding here is a crucial mistake. If you raise this flop you must have the intention to get all the money in. It's not like we're super happy to get it in, and we're more often than not going to be racing as a slight dog but with all the dead money in and the odds we're getting there is literally no way you can fold this without setting money on fire Wink


Interesting, the odds aren't too good after getting 3bet on the flop are they? When we call, we are committed... It's a semibluff raise in the first place, is it not ok to fold when facing a raise over the top? I would usually fold but could be wrong
Posted 8 years ago*
Fair enough, the odds aren't great obviously but our equity makes up for it. My point is that our equity is far to good to play raise/fold on a texture like this. We have a lot of equity, and the majority of that is nut equity. Also assuming we are 100% behind isn't correct. There will be times where we are actually ahead getting this in, for example against stuff like 64cc or 5xcc.

I think if we don't want to put all our money in in this spot we simply shouln't be checkraising in the first place Smile
Posted 8 years ago
Pre can go either way depending on BB and open raisers tendencies. I think on a Q53 flop I would lean towards a x/c in the first place, but raising is obv fine (I make it 1.4), as played we're not loving it but don't think it's a fold at these stakes before we have more info on villain.
Posted 8 years ago
Hello guys and thank you for your answers!
Here is my way to go, I prefer x/r because the guy was a fish and I thought that if I hit, he would stack off with TPTK or even Qx. So for that reason I decided to x/r, when he 3betted me, I was expecting to see a set very often but I don't think I could fold given the fact that there was so much dead money in the pot already and I only had a 100bb stack.
Posted 8 years ago
I ran some EV calculations ( I am not 100% sure those are correct, would love if someone could confirm them).

Assuming our opponent is never folding to the shove, and that we win 34% of the time (even that is a bit optimistic IMO) we are losing $ 2.54 (our EV). Assuming we fold we are losing 1.10 since we don't count the money put in preflop, so we lose less money making the fold than getting it in. Again I am not 100% sure in my calculations since I made the calculator myself (works on the few examples I tried out) but it kind of makes sense to me. I also ran the calculations with him having a 10% fold frequency to our shove and even then we are not losing less than 1.10, it is about 1.4 .
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So if this is the case we are hoping he gets it in with worse draws pretty often which I honestly don't think happens very much. Happy to be corrected and I haven't even though of this before so thank you guys for bringing this up. Sorry if I look like an asshole here not my intention, again I'm not 100% sure those EV calculations are correct.
Posted 8 years ago
I'd imagine your calculation is about right @scraper420

can you confirm @w34z3l? Cheeky
Posted 8 years ago
I'd 3bet preflop versus a reg but happy to make it up in SB v a fish. Postflop you say villain can stack off TP so why not chk/c since our fold equity is apparently very low. I generally make moves like this because I think I can get the guy to fold, not because I want to get the money in as a 35% dog.

I just prefer not bloating the pot OOP trying to bluff a fish is all.

Smile
Posted 8 years ago
Pre is a 3bet from to SB unless the BB is a fish or folds a lot to btn steals. You generally 3b more from the SB then you do from the BB (I'd flat A8s in the BB vs the btn steal) because you'll be OOP vs everyone in the hand and you get a worse price to call.
Posted 8 years ago
pre 3b or fold is good. exploit: flat call with fish in bb.

post I don't like xr NFD at all. reason is, that we have certain SD Value against a wide BTN range, we dominate so many draws, and it is hard for us constructing a value xr range on this kind of board. when we call pre, we sometimes have 33/55 there, that is it. furthermore, us xr there sets and draws, our calling range is capped to one pair type of hands and random A hi floats, pretty easy for villain to just ovberbet turn then, giving us super hard times out of position.
against a fish, bloating up the pot OOP with draws is not ideal, yes, you could argue that against his range, this is kind of a value raise, but fish don't like folding, and we have to tripple then quite often to make him fold one pairs.
as played pre, I just go x/c, x/c an donk river Flushes, with no hit I am just going to hope for free SD.
Posted 8 years ago
Not a fan of the peel from SB unless BB is a super nit and BTN terrible. If we get in the nut flush here we're always behind. Just call the flop for me
Posted 8 years ago
I don't like the flop raise. We have very few hands which actually want to raise this flop for value. I think i go with the line X/c flop, X/F turn on the Q turn.