JT0 100nl

Posted 8 years agoEdited 8 years ago

I open CO 3x BB calls

I hold Js, TC

Flop KhTh5C - I bet 2/3 BB calls

Turn 5h - I check

River - BB bets 2/3 , hero?

BB is an alright looking regish player but plays a little tight, would probably defend KTo+ K9s+
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Posted 8 years ago
Loks like it could be a KJ or K9. Considering only straight draw missed then I might fold as I doubt a worse T ever plays this way. Plus if you said guy is pretty tight then a fold can't be bad in this spot.
Posted 8 years ago*
I think you have to fold. You block his straight draws, but none of his flush draws. You have better hands to call like AhTx in your range.

When it comes to the flop play, I think it plays better as a check, but I could be convinced otherwise. I am working on my cbet strategies.
Posted 8 years ago
I would suggest calling with AT is the same as JT, yes are J blocks a few OESD combo's but it also blocks KT and he'd 3b AK. Also if he bets here he'll have K+ for value, so it's more a case of bluffing frequencies and pot odds
Posted 8 years ago
Bet small OTT don't give his sd or GS the free equity. Ap I have no idea, you probably have to call tbh. We can't know v anyone unless we know there range what their bluff frequency is like in this spot, I would guess if he is a bit tight and the paired board be should recognise we have kx in our range that call so he may not bluff enough.

GTO = probably call
Highest EV = I guess fold
Posted 8 years ago
This is super basic and playing NL100, you have to know what to do here. It's a standard spot that comes up very often so whether this specific hand is a fold or call even matters less than how u wanna solve these situations in general.

That's gonna have a bigger impact on your game than getting 10 opinions which may be right, may be wrong.

Kinda like "give a man a fish or teach him how to fish"

I see no specific ranges, just a lot of guessing and blocker-gto-talk. Not saying thoughts are "wrong" but what is missing is a clear metric or method by which we can prove whether one play or the other is greater.
Posted 8 years ago
Gordon_BPC: This is super basic and playing NL100, you have to know what to do here. It's a standard spot that comes up very often so whether this specific hand is a fold or call even matters less than how u wanna solve these situations in general.

That's gonna have a bigger impact on your game than getting 10 opinions which may be right, may be wrong.

Kinda like "give a man a fish or teach him how to fish"

I see no specific ranges, just a lot of guessing and blocker-gto-talk. Not saying thoughts are "wrong" but what is missing is a clear metric or method by which we can prove whether one play or the other is greater.


People do have a limited time to respond, we coudl write essays on the EV's of different options but that would have an aweful time cost benefit. The feedback provided has been very useful.
Posted 8 years ago
CrazyCookie: Bet small OTT don't give his sd or GS the free equity. Ap I have no idea, you probably have to call tbh. We can't know v anyone unless we know there range what their bluff frequency is like in this spot, I would guess if he is a bit tight and the paired board be should recognise we have kx in our range that call so he may not bluff enough.

GTO = probably call
Highest EV = I guess fold


Yes, I like the small turn bet option as an exploitative line!

We charge the draws, keep the pot to 2 small bets - saving against Kx (if he doesn't donk the river). However we value cut against Jx that would check the river. Also from a game theory prospective we're only going small with Jx holdings? Which makes us very exploitable and some 100nl regs may pick up on (although at my anonymous games they won't tbh).

So although I like this option which tbh I forgot about so thanks for reminding me of it @CrazyCookie I'm not 100% if it is the best line. it Certainly keeps it simple though tbh, whereas as played it's hard to say weather it's a call or a fold. But a check might be more EV as we value cut vs Jx & Kx when we bet and only make a 80%ish profit margin vs draws as they have reasonable equity.

So the turn bet in isolation would be slightly -EV as we're betting small. If we check and play the river correctly by folding that would be 0EV if we call that'd be +EV. If we're calling the river badly though this could end up being much more -EV than betting the turn.
Posted 8 years ago
Archinator:
Gordon_BPC: This is super basic and playing NL100, you have to know what to do here. It's a standard spot that comes up very often so whether this specific hand is a fold or call even matters less than how u wanna solve these situations in general.

That's gonna have a bigger impact on your game than getting 10 opinions which may be right, may be wrong.

Kinda like "give a man a fish or teach him how to fish"

I see no specific ranges, just a lot of guessing and blocker-gto-talk. Not saying thoughts are "wrong" but what is missing is a clear metric or method by which we can prove whether one play or the other is greater.


People do have a limited time to respond, we coudl write essays on the EV's of different options but that would have an aweful time cost benefit. The feedback provided has been very useful.


Agree with u. Can easily take 20-30min to prepare.

God knows, if u go deeper perhaps an hour. I do view it as beneficial and time well invested, so that's the point where we disagree... and i say this as somebody propagating "NOBS" and "Keep it simple".

Posted 8 years ago
Gordon_BPC: This is super basic and playing NL100, you have to know what to do here. It's a standard spot that comes up very often so whether this specific hand is a fold or call even matters less than how u wanna solve these situations in general.

That's gonna have a bigger impact on your game than getting 10 opinions which may be right, may be wrong.

Kinda like "give a man a fish or teach him how to fish"

I see no specific ranges, just a lot of guessing and blocker-gto-talk. Not saying thoughts are "wrong" but what is missing is a clear metric or method by which we can prove whether one play or the other is greater.


Ok well no exact stats were given in this hand here. So maybe as this is a spot that shows up often, then we can talk about a basic approach here vs 'unknown' opponents in this spot.

Do you like the line of betting small on the turn and then hoping BB checks rive and we check back a card that doesn't improve us?
And vs an unknown here, what would your most common decision on the river be as played? Also it seems the river card isn't put into the hand for us to see for some reason.
Posted 8 years ago
To avoid this problem can we not bet small for value on the turn?

Usually with a solid second pair type hand we can check call the flop but here you decided there was enough worse pairs he can call with plus all the draws. Any of those pairs with a heart will now call a small bet and you said he's tight so isn't likely to turn 8h8x into a bluff.