CycleVancouver

It's a full ring game but only 7 in the hand. I'm in SB, known degen, LAG by FR standards, 44% steal overall. V is playing 24/12/4, fold to steal 71% (but only 2 BvB spots so no data there) over 1K hands. So he calls a bit too much but otherwise OK. Postflop agg% is just 17, pretty low.

Boss Media (IPN) No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (7 handed) - BossMedia Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

UTG ($75.39)
MP1 ($120.40)
MP2 ($98.50)
CO ($13.25)
Button ($100)
Hero (SB)($106.55)
BB ($125.82)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Attached Image

, J

5 folds, Hero raises $3, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7) 9 Attached Image

, 8

, 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $3, BB raises $15, Hero??

If I just call, it's unlikely I'll ever get paid, my draws are so obv, so the question is how much to raise. Pot is 24 after his raise, so if I want to make a pot sized 3bet, I'm looking at about 50 or half my stack. Just ship it now with so much equity? I suppose that puts obscene pressure on any single pair hand, as well as pair+ draw or better FD. I can't imagine he'd fold any 2p+.

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I think you can make it $32 here and give the illusion that if they shove you can fold your hand. I think anything higher than that doesn't achieve too much as you're committed and going with your hand regardless. However, because we only have J high it may be better to go ahead and shove to get them fold their top pairs and draws that beat us instead of levelling them into a shove or w/e.

Do you think a 24/12 is rising here with one pair or pair+ draw? I expect this player type to call these hands and raise their monsters (two pair+). As default I'd make it $32~ here because if I held a set or AA I'd make it this much too.

I think just shipping it might be a bit premature though I don't know if there's that much of a difference EV wise. I'm guessing all-in isn't a sizing you'd use with something like JT either so it's not good to split your range like that. If the the pot was a bit bigger I'd go for it, say if you had cbet $5 and villain raised to $25 then ship it. With these sizings I'd probably raise to something like 38 or 40 and call off the shove.

I agree that shoving all i seems unnecessary here, this move would actually look weaker to me if I were in villains shoes. I would be opting for a standard re-raise with the intention of calling it off if villain ships the moniez.

I would be making it somewhere in the region of $40 here.

KomodoDragonJesus makes a great point here about f we do ship it then we split our range very badly as we would be very unlikely to be playing our nutted holdings this way,

Tx guys, good stuff to think about.

Given the amount of equity you have it's really hard for you to make a giant mistake (unless you fold), but I also agree that calling should be a bit better in this spot. Also, you still have two streets left after you call so even though you are out of position and the flop is really connected your implied odds might be higher than they look at first sight (especially because you might be dominating some draws).

I like the idea of reraising to $35-40. By giving an illusion of fold equity it's possible that we include a selection of bluffs into villain's shoving range which should help to some degree.

What's most worrying is the player type. I really don't expect this guy to be bluffing in general to a high frequency. BvB or not.

I think 40 or so is prob best. I do want some FE myself, since I think he has the best hand atm, might block some of my outs, and some of my straight outs may chop. I agree he's not on a complete bluff, more likely a combo or a made hand that we'll have to gii with.

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