AK-Flush94

Okay so first of all i'd like to apologise about the format of this hand, the hand took place in a live home game and all sites I've tried to create a HH with have ended up being messy. We are playing 3 handed, £0.25/0.25 with a mandatory £0.50 straddle and this particular hand is straddled up to the whale in the small blind to £8.

Whale, small blind (£550)
Player 2, big blind (£300)
Hero, button (£560)

Hero opens to £25 (J10)
Whale calls £25
Player 2 folds

***Flop*** [973]

Whale checks
Hero bets £40
Whale raises to £110
Hero raises to £525
Whale calls £525 and is all in

***Turn*** [10]

***River*** [2]

Hero shows [J10] Jack high flush
Whale mucks

Okay so some notes on Whale are that of course he is a whale, his check raising range is huge and he had just showed up with 97o after check raising a Ad 9d 5c board. He had been extremely active all night but more so as the game was wrapping up soon and he was stuck.

He is a very aggressive player and would likely 3-bet most suited broadways however I have left a few in that he may flat, but he can never have 9's or 7's, 3's is thin whether he would 3-bet or not i'm fairy sure he would but ill leave that in.

My thought process was that he isn't folding either a 9 or any flush draw T8 or 86, sets obviously and 2 pairs he calls with and against that range I have roughly 40% and I was getting around 1.4/1 on my jam, meaning I need to be getting 41.67% raw equity for my jam to be profitable. I ran some equities through an equity calculator. Against a set of 3's, all two pairs, any 9, any flush draw that he doesn't 3bet, 86o and T8o I have 39.91% when called.

His check raising range would be the same but with any 7, probably a lot of 3's but to be safe i'll just include any 7. His check raising range includes 353 combos of which 160 are 7's which he isn't willing to call it off with therefore he is folding 45% of his check raising range. I'm not sure how to work out fold equity properly but i'm assuming given how close my raw equity is to being profitable, if he is folding that often it must be profitable?

He shows up with 94o in this hand which proves a lot of logic this hand was based on. Really appreciate your thoughts.

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I might be misreading,but the money goes in on the flop - not the turn??

Not sure who the whale is in that case.

Correct the money goes in on the flop, we're obviously not looking to get called but considering how wide he is check raising we're going to take this down a tonne on the flop, and when we do get called we have 40% against his range to call it off.

I'm pretty sure against his calling range here,you dont have 40% on the flop when the money goes in with a gutshot,backdoor weak flush and two small overs.
I'll run the numbers shortly,but you clearly dont have 40% without running it.

Check back flop is probably long term better than betting a gutter + overs expecting to get X/R wide so you can shove. I would guess here you may be unfamiliar with a dynamic this aggro. Trying to lag out a hyper lag doesn't work as by definition they will take the hyper loose aggro option by default. Play pots in position, allow them to barrel, and call them down with bluff catchers. On the note that he is stuck, he is more keen to get it in win a big pot and double, another reason to approach this with a bit more caution and use the fact you have position on him.

I would be curious to see your breakdown of ranges he check raise folds / and check raise calls and work out the EV of a shove. I think you will find you are a reasonable dog a lot.

If this guy is so bad I would advise you to stop bluffing him, and to widen your value range considerably.

I like your c bet with two overs and a gutshot,but I'm giving up to his raise. If he's raising all the time then own him with your showdown value and make your profit that way.

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I'm fairly certain he is check raising any 3, he is virtually check raising any time he connects, and he will never call it off with 2nd pair.

In terms of checking back the flop, I think its too transparent as I can never be checking back monsters on that board, as it runs out we spike a T on the turn but long-run he's just going to bet the turn and take it down v my obvious whiff.

Another point to note is that we are playing 3 handed, and straddled to £8 we are playing 60bb effective. Also I have played a lot of hands with villain and these ranges are not exaggerated. He plays very ABC and my cbet will take it down unless he connect with the board in some way so I still think they're is value in cbetting.

I find in spots like this it is easiest to work backwards rather than construct a range and see how we do against that constructed range.

Eg. We need 40% so work out what range we have 40% equity against then look and see if it is reasonable. If he needs to start having 56o for it to reach 40% the shove is likely not profitable, if the range becomes so tight as to be sets, 2 pair, overpairs then the shove is profitable as the range is wider than this.

I have a problem with what you are posting above. I am not saying this to be rude, but are you looking to justify the shove as a good play? It happens that people don't like to consider they have made an error and look to rationalise their mistakes by making them seem acceptable high level plays. You have all 9x in his checkraising range all 7x and seemingly almost all hearts though maybe that isnt the case but it looks to be. It looks like you are widening his range to accommodate the required results of showing more than 37% equity. I think you maybe spewed a bit here and got lucky.

@Joshk81 I appreciate the response, after all, the reason I posted this was to get feedback. I am happy to take from it that I played the hand badly if that is what happened, however I haven't tried to widen his range to give myself the right equity, I can assure you it really is that wide, he plays any two, and would be more than happy to get it in with any flush draw. He is 100% check raising all 9x and 7x and in fact I've left out 3x even though i believe he could quite easily have a lot of them too. There would be no point giving false information to try and justify my play, the information I have provided is honest, if based on that information I have played to hand badly, I can accept that and I do appreciate the honesty also all criticism is welcome!

If his range is legitimately that wide then the Cbet creates the equity required to call it off. Would you consider checking back the flop and shoving any turn as an option to apply maximum fold equity rather than he check raise and commits himself?

*Edit* Scrap the turn shove I think you are too deep for this to be a profitable option.

@Joshk81 In the build up to this hand he had taken the same line 2/3 of the last hands, so whilst the range i've given him contains all the genuine hands he can have I also think he has quite a fair amount of air seems as I had just been folding and with the amount of straddling this was quite exploitable for him. We are only 60bb effective during this hand, although if I check back flop it would be a huge overbet on the turn and whilst i get more folds I think the same hands fold for less. My main question was given that I have c-bet and get check raised, based on the ranges I've assigned which if anything i think are being generous to him, is my jam fine? or is getting it in with 2 overs and a gutter just bad regardless, he is very aggressive and likes to apply pressure he will have no problem calling it off with any top pair or better but I am virtually certain he wouldn't call with A7 and therefore any 7.

@Turlock Thank you for your response, I would like to point out it is 3 handed and straddled quite heavily. Obviously opening J10 on the button is standard, c-bet is fine, but isn't just folding to the x/r super exploitable? This is how I had been playing up until this hand, he had been check raising a lot because he was getting it through. I mean i'm all for waiting for value hands and just feeling super good getting it in with TP against him for any amount but 3 handed you really don't connect that much and if i continue to c-bet/fold then i'm just going to bleed money 2/3 of the time when I whiff, so my other option is checking back. I turn my hand face up as having air because there is no value hand I can trap with on that board, so unless I spike on the turn he's just going to lead and I'm going to fold, which I guess I lose less but then I also lose out on taking down the pot on the flop the times he completely whiffs.

Seems to me to be a spot where you got yourself in to a pickle really. I'd go on about the preflop raise size being large but I know a lot of home games play like this. The issue is that you say you've seen this guy show crap before and he was tilty as the game was ending. Then to me this puts you in a bad spot and you don't have any fold equity vs a pair. He can have heart draws, some better and dominating overcard draws (although if tilty then he might be gambling preflop with good A highs. I just don't think this is the place to gamble (it's meant to be him who wants to do that, not you?). But NH and gl.

@Grocker6 thank you for the response, in terms of raise size preflop seat 2 has already folded his £2 straddle so I'm to act on my £4 straddle if anything my raise is on the small size considering the dead money, I expect to get 3bet very wide against anything smaller, and seems as he's calling with any 2 and we have position, I guess if he's calling with any 2 regardless making it less maybe better? After giving this some thought and reading all the comments maybe it's one of those spots where it is profitable to jam but not by tonnes, and against such a player there is going to be a better spot, and he has a tendency to lock up a bit when he's stuck and gets a double up

AH ok I re-read and just kinda missed the bigger straddle. I was reading 0.25/0.25 with 0.50 straddle.
No worries, but yeah in general you'll find better spots. Or you're becoming the gambler that he himself is. He can have any two, but when you're hand is pretty weak, a lot of any two beats you or you're never far ahead. I understand you want fold equity but I just don't think vs this guy that you had it that's all.

Thanks to everyone who posted above you have helped my game out a lot.

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