NL10z JJ

Posted 8 years ago

I'm not going to put any of my own thoughts in this, just putting the hand up here as I feel it's one of the more interesting hands I've played recently and I'm interested in hearing some unbiased analysis of my overall line, pretty much every street here can be played differently so I'm interested in hearing how other people play here.

Hand History for Game 1111111111 (Poker Stars)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, June 25, 07:02:04 ET 2016
Table Aludra (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $10.00 USD ) - VPIP: 8, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 12
Seat 2: Player2 ( $8.08 USD ) - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 4
Seat 3: Player3 ( $12.41 USD ) - VPIP: 32, PFR: 26, 3B: 43, AF: 2.0, Hands: 19
Seat 4: Player4 ( $13.74 USD ) - VPIP: 11, PFR: 4, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 28
Seat 5: Player5 ( $11.94 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 5
Seat 6: Hero ( $16.11 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 21, 3B: 10, AF: 1.7, Hands: 3151
Player2 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player3 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
Dealing down cards
Dealt to Hero [ Jh Jc ]
Player4 folds
Player5 folds
Hero raises [$0.25 USD]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 raises [$0.80 USD]
Hero calls [$0.65 USD]
Dealing Flop [ 9c, Qs, 4d ]
Player3 checks
Hero checks
Dealing Turn [ 3d ]
Player3 checks
Hero bets [$1.00 USD]
Player3 calls [$1.00 USD]
Dealing River [ 3h ]
Player3 checks
Hero bets [$1.95 USD]
Player3 raises [$5.30 USD]
Hero ???
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Posted 8 years ago
I'm calling, they are repping nothing really. If they show up with QQ or A3 then GG, but I can't see myself folding in this spot because their value range looks thin given their line.
Posted 8 years ago
This will be a good one for me to learn form, thank you @fergrbergerSmile

I could go 2 ways preflop, either get the money in or flat the 3bet IP, with more info that villain is 3bet happy I'd prefer the latter, in this case given little info I'd likely be 4betting.

Flop: As played I don't mind a bet on the flop but I just like taking initiative and make villain define their hand a bit if I can, but I expect the chk is 'standard' and I'm a bit aggro. Thing is would I be betting for value, I have no idea lol.

Turn: I don't see me betting as played, again am I betting for value, protection or bluffing, that card changes nothing for my hand and I'm not good enough to know so no bet for me even though chkd to.

River: Let's say I did bet turn, on that river nothing changes, if I was ahead I'm unlikely to get a call from worse now after villain calls turn so if I bet I likely run into a Qx or better, therefore I chk behind this time.

Thanks for this, very valueable and as you will see by my reply, very much needed! Blush

Posted 8 years ago
Cool, I've typed up some detailed analysis for the hand from my own perspective including results which I'll post later this evening or maybe tomorrow, I just want to wait to see if anyone else wishes to respond with their thoughts.
Posted 8 years ago
OK doesn't look like there are any more responses incoming. I'll break down my thought process as this hand went on to the best of my memory.

Pre: The only option that is out of the question here is folding. Flatting is fine IMO, four betting is also viable though. We have a small sample on villain but based on the little information we have he seems on the more aggressive side. I'm going to make the assumption that we have a significant range advantage over villain here and given that I have no clue how he responds to 4bets I prefer calling to keep his range as wide as possible.

Flop: Flop is decent enough for us. As villain seems aggressive though I am suspicious of his check on this board. I don't think betting at this stage accomplishes a huge amount so I am happy to check back in position. Betting is not absurd by any stretch and should still be profitable, but I think I prefer checking to garner more information on the turn.

Turn: Villain checks again which is fantastic news for us. If he had a very strong hand such as QQ or 99 it is unlikely that he would check it a second time after we checked flop back. Betting for value here seems appropriate, no hands that beat us here seem at all likely. We can safely assume that is he had Qx+ that he would have opted to bet himself at some point.

River: Villain checks again which is great news for us again. The river has changed absolutely nothing as we should not expect any 3x to be in villains range when he plays the hand this way. Checking this back is absolutely an option as betting is certainly thin, but I just did not see how we could be beat here so I opted to go for value from hands like TT/A9x which seemed like they would make up a reasonably significant portion of villains range.

River 2.0: After we bet we get raised which I absolutely was not expecting. Villains line here is highly unusual, his value hands here should be extremely few and far between for reasons given on earlier streets. If we are beat here the likliest holding I could see villain having is QQ where he opted to really get tricky. I took a little while before making my decision but ultimately made the call and villain showed up with AK for an unusual, but extremely interesting hand.

Note - This hand came up during recording for part 2 of the 10NLz video so you will get to see my puzzled face as the river raised came in Laugh
Posted 8 years ago*
Dammit, I actually thought of AK as a bluff after the raise but didn't have the cahoonas to say it out load. Doh!

Nice call, I can't say I could make it given we have little info, but that's why you guys play up there and I play down here I guess.

Very nice job, tyvm. Bowing
Posted 8 years ago
I've seen enough villains play a flopped set this way, but it's tough to fold on the river once they're repping such a small number of combos.

Usually I would say fold as river raises are nearly always nutted and we never expect villain to be bluffing frequently to call. Here though we can see villain has started off aggro with his reraises so will almost always have a wide range with sets being such a small part.
Posted 8 years ago
I'm not sure sure how often villain is checking a flopped set three times to us here, seems pretty unlikely to me.

I agree with you that river raises at these limits are very often nutted and I don't make a habit of calling them with marginal hands, this was just a very peculiar situation.