I think my auto line would be to call and perhaps lead some rivers or check to induce. I think you might just be bloating the pot here by check raising.

Yeh I think thats the standard line too, it was just his turn sizing that didn't really make sense on this board as I had seen him previously only making pot bets in most situations. I actually called and checked on blank river, he checked back showing A567!!!

Knowing that he has pretty bad sizing tells going forward I can take the line suggested vs him on good run outs for our range.

In general would like to have little bit better blockers or more EQ to c/r. Getting good prize to call. Problem with c/r this turn is that is so many bad rivers, Paired boards and diamonds that we cant rep. I dont expect many bet-folds either so we need to raise turn and bet river. After seeing his hand and we get this sizeing tell we can for sure change our strategy.

Fold pre heads up out of position and the 3h is awful.

Its not good folding this pre @Joshk81 . This any many many worse hands is an easy defend in the BB esp vs BTN open. Vs a tight btn open at 45% we have 44% EQ. So it would be really bad folding hands like this.

@Prostaker realising that equity though... This is a hard hand to play for stacks and be comfortable about the hand you are going with. Yes the BB is wide, but connecting well enough with KQ93sxsx and not getting bad runouts when you do connect + being out of position in a heads up pot... I would argue that calling pre in this situation with this hand is creating a postflop situation where mistakes will compound. What semi-bluff options do you have with this kind of hand? Are you trying to only flop good and call their bets / get it in good?

I agree with everything @Prostaker has said so far, you're getting the right price and have a profitable call OOP. But now that you know what he bets the turn for 1/2 pot with, you can definitely go and exploit that tendency.

@Joshk81 this is exactly an average hand, but is a very clear call PF. You're right that the 3h dangler stinks, but this hand flops well enough and has some nutty runouts, getting 2:1 against a weak overall range. That said, if you are just starting out at PLO and aren't comfortable yet playing with marginal hands OOP, it's ok to fold PF.




It's not like when we call PF we are signing ourselves up to have to call triple barrels on every board. The BTN will give up sometimes, we will flop a straight or wrap or whatever strong hand sometimes, we can pick off bluffs when we make 2 pair, and we can find profitable spots to bluff. There's a lot that can go right with this hand and it seems to me like you're overly concerned with only the things that can go wrong.

And you get 1:3 odds preflop. You don't have to hit nuts to win the pot either. You can bluff, you can bluff catch and so on.
If you want to fold this from BB to BTN open, what would be your defending frequency?

@redrooski24@Kyyberi I think this is a poor hand to have in this spot. The KQ9sxs effectively gives us 3 connected cards and a suit out of position. We call this pre heads up we are out of position and really don't flop well and if we do, we are never going to be locking it up vs a stack off range. Being out of position equity realisation is a difficult thing to do also.

If the 3h is a club or something 6+ that interacts with the 9 at least then I lean towards calling as there is a bit more that can happen with the hand. Take the 3h and make it a 7c and the hand is significantly better. Not just a little, like a lot better.

As it is these hands I see if we are calling pre we are check folding a lot, check calling some flops and turns go check check and a lot of rivers we don't know where we are at; if it goes check bet call flop, check check turn, then check bet and decision on the river, this is not great; more than likely we are behind but call with something in case they are bluffing.

If the flop is a checkraise get stacks in we are often enough going to be freerolled or dead if the player is competent. It requires some kind of combination of spew and cooler on their part to make this a profitable scenario. Ex: Q94sxs and they have 94T8xxss for bottom 2 a flushdraw and gutter.

Propokertools has this hand flopping ~47% equity half the time on the flop against an 80% open. It is 50% vs a 100% open.

Hmm... I can swear that the hand was KKQ3 when I posted yersterday. And I was sober!

Playing from BB is an interesting topic, as PLO100+ the rake is not such a problem but at lower stakes it is. One Finnish player made a video about BB and said that at midstakes+ good regs are defending as much as 80% from BB. Of course that requires some postflop skills.

Good starting point is to think what would be our standard defending range
a) in a vacuum against totally unknown
b) against average reg

And the idea is to make +EV decision, no matter how small that EV is. As we get 1:3 odds, we don't have to make that much money postflop on average.