Small pairs oop postflop.

Posted 8 years ago

Hi.

How do you play small pairs (22-66) postflop when you call them from the BB and don´t hit the set?
What type of boards do you continue?
What kind of stats on villain do you continue to the turn?
How do you act on different type of boards vs different playertypes?

Different boardtypes:
1. Tripple broadway: AKQ
2. Double broadway: K104
3. Single broadway: Q37
4. Paired: 558
5. Raggedy: 294
6. Coordinated broadway: 910Q
7. Coordinated middle: 679
8. Coordinated small: 234


Different stats on villain:
A. High flop Cbet + high turn Cbet
B. High flop Cbet + low turn Cbet
C. High fold to flopraise
D. Low flop Cbet + high fold to turn bet when skipped cbet
E. Low WTSD %:
F. High WTSD %:

Is there other stats that might be important when you make your decision?

/Danwan







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Posted 8 years ago
Hey,

small pocket pairs have around 50% equity against BU-Range. We need ~27% raw equity against 2,5x BU open, means we can can check fold small pockets very often to realize our equity share in a maxEV way. Keep in mind that pockets have very nonrobust equity postflop if not hit the set and are often difficult to play (thats why you ask I think^^) thats why first question at the table should everytime be "fold > all?". If you know that, live is easy with small pockets.

Answer all your questions is difficult or needs super long post, because the real tree of questions to give an answer on every question should be:

Different boardtypes:
1.
Different stats on villain:
A. High flop Cbet + high turn Cbet
B. High flop Cbet + low turn Cbet
C. High fold to flopraise
D. Low flop Cbet + high fold to turn bet when skipped cbet
E. Low WTSD %:
F. High WTSD %:

2.
A
B
C
D
E
F

etc.

I am not the stat guy, I'll try to answer your question about the boards that you can use it at the tables and I'll roughly write about exploits, because you should use small pockets very often for exploits postflop because of bad equity.

Is there other stats that might be important when you make your decision?


My decisions depends on ranges and bordtexture primarily, you should think in the same way to get better in poker and not "wheee he fold against raises to much, I start spewing my little pockets on AKQ".

1. Tripple broadway: AKQ


x/f 100%


2. Double broadway: KT4

Depens on sizing, against really small sizes (1/3 for example, often see on higher stakes) you cant fold them, against "normal" or bigger sizing, just fold, you have enough hands to defend well in your range. x/r your sets.

No matter how villains stats looks like, this board is not good to exploit villain by doing anything but fold with pocket pairs, you have other hands, like 67s with backdoorflush to x/r and can call more weaker draws which beats bluffs if villain bets to much (but that wasn't the question).

3. Single broadway: Q37

Depends on sizing. 22 you can muck against 1/2 pot, 55 66 just call never raise, if you hit the set your are most likely ahead, if you hit your gut shot, well you have pair + gut shot and villain often spike another draw, to bluffbet, than you can raise to deny equity or just call because enough equity, should be slightly +EV but not great.

4. Paired: 558

I think you have to call all your pockets in equilibrium because equity is high and you'll fold to much if you play x/f. Here you can exploit a bit, if villain bets to much, especially highcards, you should x/r the weaker pockets more because the EV of x/r increase a lot, because villain has to fold a lot and you deny his equity with those hands, it's better than call more regardless of other stats, because all high-cardrunouts suck.


5. Raggedy: 294

Just call and if villain bets big, fold 33. The big difference between 942 and 855 is that villain can cbet recklessly on 942 because your range on that doesn't allow a super high x/r-frequency. Hard to explain, villain can defend more hands with robust equity on 942 (like A5, 65s, KQs with backdoors) but not on 855. Thats why you should't exploit a "too high" cbet-frequency here or just slightly, but do that with other hands, like T8s, which blocks defend-range, make better hands fold and can spike other bluffs and nuts on the river.


6. Coordinated broadway: 910Q


100% fold, no matter how bad villain play.


7. Coordinated middle: 679


Pockets mostly have two clean outs ---> set-outs, if the set outs are not clean, calling little pockets decrease in EV and become a -EV play very often. Like here, 22 > 33 or 44 on that board. If villain bets big, just fold all the pockets. Mabye it is okay to x/r from time to time as an exploit if villain bets to much.

8. Coordinated small: 234

Whee the best board for this group of hands obv. 22 33 44 make sets, just call or raise. 55 and 66 have good benefits in x/r, villain has to call weaker hands and will fold nice equity.



Posted 8 years ago
Thanks eroticjesus.
It all make sence.
I probably look at villains stats to often when I make my decision whether to play or not to play. I´m gonna start looking at the board first and then sometimes exploit the stats when the board is good.
I also think I try to find reasons to continue to often, just because I read somewhere that its not profitable to call small pairs for set-value and then always fold when you miss.



Posted 8 years ago
@eroticjesus YOU ABSOLUTE BEAST
Posted 8 years ago
There is a lot of info that is necessary to give an adequate answer. Are you playing cash or MTTs/SnGs? HU (heads up) 6 max FR (full ring)?

How deep are effective stacks?

Where is the opponent opening from?

What kind of history will we have with different players?

How have they seen us play?

How are the people acting after them playing?

What can we consider a standard raise size to be?

Some of these are likely going to be important variables to consider on a hand specific situation rather than what I think you are after which is a general answer. In poker it is best to not focus on "when A happens do X and when B happens do Y." More it is about improving how you think about ranges and how they interact with boards and play styles. This gives you a critical edge as you can think your way around any scenario rather than studying to try and prepare for all scenarios. This is often why it is better to post a few hands with the stats so people can critique your thinking about the hand rather than which buttons you should click and when.

22-44 is a bit worse than 55-66 as 55-66 loses counterfeit outs and can have more under cards on flops. You also are missing the primary stats I would use to determine how I play the hand, namely PFR (preflop raise), Steal % (late position raise), and aggression factor (ratio of calls/checks:raises/bets - 0.5 means calls to raises of 2:1. Likewise AF of 2 is 1:2). Someone opening 8% with a 15% steal and an AF of 0.5 I am hitting a set and folding to cbets virtually any board, some I might call flop depending on texture... T22 with 6s might be a call flop fold turn. They are betting to get value from Tx 33-99 and not betting to bluff out a Tx. Same board same hand with someone who is opening 15% and 45% steal with an AF of 6 the hand is entirely different. On a T2248r (rainbow - 3 different suits) run out I am check calling flop and turn and likely folding river as people don't 3 barrel as much as stickier players might like to think. This would be different if the turn was say Td2s2c8d - now QJ Q9 J9 J7 79 and diamonds have outs to continue. 8x would likely check back the turn. In this case if these bricked river I may check call, but still, people so rarely bet bet bet that without very specific reads on players tendencies and lines this would be a fold.
Posted 8 years ago
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