NL10 Draw in 3bp.

Posted 7 years ago

So i 3bet a relative unknown with KQo i guess it could work as a call but i think its a bit too weak to just call right off so i use it as a bluff with blockers pre.

Villain donks on this board and i have a NFD and gutshot. Him leading looks like a value hand that dont want me to check. I guess his range here is JJ, 99, AJ, AK, AQ, Maybe a KxQs type hand. I think my hand weird to call with cause if we improve to the straight we dont know if we are good/splitting. And if we hit our flush we will very rarely get paid. And i think with a jam we can probably get Ax hands to fold, maybe even a 99 since we can easily have AA and JJ here aswell as a flush. So i decide to Jam.

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$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem 888
6 Players

Blinds$0.05/$0.106
UTG Player6 $10.94
UTG+1 Player7 $8.92
CO Player9 $8.91
DHero $15.73
SB Player2 $7.37
BB Player4 $10.70
Preflop
6$0.15Hero is BTNQK
2 folds, Player9 raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1.20, 2 folds, Player9 calls $0.85
Flop
2$2.553TJ
Player9 checks, Hero bets$2.07, Player9 calls $2.07
Turn
2$6.697
Player9 checks, Hero bets$6.19, Player9 calls $5.64
River
2$18.52Q
Final Pot$18.52
Hero shows QK
Player9 shows QJ

Player9 wins $16.92 (net +$8.01)
Hero collects$1.10 (net -$8.36)
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Posted 7 years ago
Is this the right hand because you don't have the NFD, and he does not lead.
Posted 7 years ago*
Damn! you are right wrong hand haha!

Here we go!
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$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem 888
5 Players

Blinds$0.05/$0.105
UTG MS97CRO $11.52
CO bronko36 $10.04
DHero $10.20
SB squirrel974 $3.62
BB sahmat69 $7.23
Preflop
5$0.15Hero is BTNKQ
MS97CRO raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.95, 2 folds, MS97CRO calls $0.65
Flop
2$2.05J9A
MS97CRO bets $1.02, Hero goes all-in$9.25, MS97CRO calls $8.23
Turn
2$20.55, 1 all-in 5
River
2$20.55, 1 all-in K
Final Pot$20.55
MS97CRO shows 99
Hero shows KQ

MS97CRO wins $19.53 (net +$9.33)
Hero lost$10.20
Posted 7 years ago*
Pre flop is standard but post flop I do not think this is optimal. What info do we have on the player? does he play alot of 3bet pots? donk often?

If he is playing a standard range, you narrow his calling range down to the top 15% with the 3bet pre. So he is going to have alot of pocket pairs and
Broadways.

Pre flop we are ahead against this range but with out the player type I could be completely out for example if he is whale playing VPIP of 50 and PFR of 10 over 200 hands then we included alot more hands in the pre flop calling range.

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Flop
With the all in all we do is narrow his calling range to hands that have us crushed or, we are left drawing to a club to out draw a flopped flush. What do you think he donk betting with? I prefer a call v his donk and evaluate turn

In my experience if its a reg its normally for value or to induce a raise.

If anything we win the min or lose a huge pot most of the time with an all in.
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Posted 7 years ago
FE Calculator says that you definitely need to get some folds with the shove for it to be profitable. How many folds is debatable. Comes down to how much EQ you give yourself against his calling range. When I ran it, it ranged anywhere from needing 10% folds all the way up to like 35% folds in worst case scenario where you are only up against JJ and 99.

I just don't think you are ever getting the amount of folds you need regardless of the EQ. I disagree that he will fold sets. He may not even fold top 2p here if he has it. I really don't know for sure, but he showed us he wouldn't fold a set.

At the end of the day it seems like a somewhat marginal shove and even if it is +EV, which I don't think it is, it won't be by much, so just don't think the risk vs reward is there.
Posted 7 years ago
Utg, having been 3bet preflop and is oop, isn't messing around when they stright donk out into the 3bettor. This is as you said yourself, a hand that doesn't want you to check back. That's very strong play, why shove into that when we are clearly behind but have some nice outs.
As mentioned above, we won't be getting many folds in this scenario. Sometimes we can generate some folds in some situations but often enough in such a strong played setting.

Preflop is playable but but it's a call flop for me and see how the rng treats me. Also, sometimes we get a chk turn from utg and make our own mind as to taking a free card or not. Free cards are good, we like free cards. Smile
Posted 7 years ago
Im sure this is a profitable shove. But so is calling. hard to calculate whats best when we dont know his donking range. For what ever is worth im not jamming im sizing if im gonna raise.

For balance its good for us to have some bluffs that raise and this is like the perfect hand. So if you think he donking a bit weaker i think raising is best.

If you expect very little fold EQ we can just call and take our equity. You can still rep strong hands on the turn and river.