Shove Flop?

Posted 8 years ago

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$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem PokerStars
5 Players

Blinds $0.05/$0.105
UTG migue9420 $24.15
COHero $10
D Luc1anoLucky $11.46
SB el_juaki_91 $9.25
BB litaabu $11.76
Preflop
5$0.15Hero is CO56
migue9420 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.25, 2 folds, litaabu raises to $0.40, migue9420 calls $0.30, Hero calls$0.15
Flop
3$1.25978
litaabu bets $0.90, migue9420 calls $0.90, Hero goes all-in$9.60, litaabu folds, migue9420 calls $8.70
Turn
2$21.35, 1 all-in 5
River
2$21.35, 1 all-in 4
Final Pot $21.35
Hero shows a straight, Five to Nine 56 migue9420 shows a flush, Ace high A4
migue9420 wins $20.25 (net +$10.25)
Hero lost$10
litaabu lost $1.30
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Posted 8 years ago
Hello there!
First thing is if you're going to Iso there just pot it so make it something like 0.40 not 0.25 as you're giving him a great price and to anyone else who wants to join the pot and your hand doesn't play super well multiway. On flop I think shoving is a bit too much, I'd usually raise it to something like 3 and shove turn, but if you know they're calling you with flush draws there is nothing wrong with doing this, you just happened to run into that 35% of the time that he hits it.
Posted 8 years ago
Isloating to x4bb preflop is standard, even if your usual open raise size is smaller than x3bb. Then just add x1bb per extra limper.

On the flop both villains have a ton of worse made hands which they're probably not folding, as well as plenty of pair plus straight draws. If you were heads up facing a 90c bet then you could probably get away with a smaller raise size, but as there's now a caller if you raise it really needs to be more than $3 which leaves you in a spot where you will have less than a pot size bet left if even just a single villain calls.

Because of that I don't mind your shove vs two likely weak players, I don't think it's an overbet given the strength of your hand and how much money is already in the pot.
Posted 8 years ago
Result is obviously a cooler, but I dont think we have to shove. There's no other option only to playing it fast and I'd personally raise to a 3-3,50 ish sizing to get it in on any non heart or T turn. Other than that it seems pretty standard to me Smile
Posted 8 years ago
I guess this can never be seen as bad as we have the best hand pretty much always but it is a huge jam. We could just make it $3.90 ish and call a shove.
Posted 8 years ago
Hi guys,

Preflop: iso-raise bigger is the way to go just like other guys said.

It appears to me I am in a minority of one here but I like Hero's postflop play. It is obvious that they are both fishy by their preflop actions. I do not really like raising it up to $3-3,5 because by doing so we would commit ourselves to a pot where a lot of things can go wrong and we might consider folding our hand depending on the turn card. Our hand is quite vulnerable and there are a ton of turn cards that are bad for us. I think in a multiway situation against 2 fishy players it is an okay shove although it is indeed really close between shoving and raising.
Posted 8 years ago
shove seems a bit OTT to me just go for a pot size bet