QQ 5NL

Posted 8 years ago

So I decided not to 4bet this hand because the BTN has a 5% 3bet in 1.3k hands and he is 3betting an UTG opener so he's representing a pretty tight range, upon review I think 4betting is still the right play even though we are in a very awkward spot if he 5bet jams.

I think flop I do have to call still even though there is an A on the board, I have a backdoor flush draw and he cbets 75% in 3bet pots.

On turn I checked and intended to x/c, again upon review I think a x/r jam could be better than x/c since I think he could be folding and I have plenty of suited hands and QJ in my range.

On river I check and intend to just take it to showdown or see what happens, he bet and I though that that bet looks kind of weak and I can turn my QQ into a bluff, also I still have all the flushes and the nut straights in my range and he doesn't have nearly as many so I decide to jam. I think he is folding all of his single pairs, maybe even 2 pair and sets, he is not really fishy so I don't expect him to call with A9 or something. I think he was really close to calling on the river as he tanked for a long time and folded.

So I want to know what do you guys think about this hand? Appreciate any input and opinions.
Thank you for reading and sorry for such a long post!
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$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem PokerStars
4 Players

Blinds$0.02/$0.054
CO Kenny $5.10
D Mr Octopus $4.81
SB Severino57 $4.71
BBHero $6.95
Preflop
4$0.07Hero is BBQQ
Kenny raises to $0.15, Mr Octopus raises to $0.45, 1 fold, Hero calls$0.40, Kenny folds
Flop
2$1.07TA3
Hero checks, Mr Octopus bets $0.65, Hero calls$0.65
Turn
2$2.37K
Hero checks, Mr Octopus checks
River
2$2.375
Hero checks, Mr Octopus bets $1.30, Hero goes all-in$5.85, Mr folds
Final Pot$9.52

Hero wins$9.28 (net +$2.33)
Kenny lost $0.15
Mr Octopus lost $2.40
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Posted 8 years ago
Pretty sure there is higher EV in 4betting this pre.
1) Unless we flop a set it's hard to get both players stacks in and win, which is kinda why we would make it go 3way in the first place.
2) Our relative flop position is not optimal when it goes 3way, cus after BTN has cbet we are first to act but still have to worry about what the third player behind us does.
3) It's CO (not UTG opener as u said) vs BTN vs hero in the BB, so since the game is just 4handed ranges should be wider from both villains.
4) They are both non-full stacked players so I would assume they get in hands that are wider than QQ+ AQ+ pre.

As played flop x/c is pretty std.

Turn is gonna be a x/c if he bets imo, we don't expect him to bet/fold better and don't really have any river cards to worry about if he is behind, so I think x/jamming turn would just be spew.

River decision looks wp to me, just remember to pick your villain carefully in these spots cus upon first review of the hand (before reading your thoughts) I could def see him bet/calling some silly Ax cus he didn't have a full stack = fishy player. But if you have reads on him that he's very tight or something then I like the play a lot more, as he clearly should be capped. But generally speaking a non-full stack at NL5 is never folding 2prs/sets here.
Posted 8 years ago
Thak you very much for the review, I don't know how I didn't notice it was 4 handed, feel really dumb now. If I had noticed that in game I think I would almost certainly 4bet this hand.
I think I have a pretty good grasp on this player's style and he's folded to my raises before in some close spots, he gives a lot of credit to my raises (didn't see him in similar spots with other players). I should probably add fold to x/r stat or something to my HUD. Also he doesn't seem too fishy to me, maybe just lazy and didn't figure out the auto top up function or something like that.
Posted 8 years ago*
4bet pre as mentioned

Well played until river but to be honest, if I was villain, I don't think I'd be folding 2 pair against a river jam... Sure, technically the nut flush/straight is in your range... but I would definitely expect you to bet it on the turn, if not, then definitely the river... Why would someone slowplay the nuts to the river like that incase villain checked back on river like he did turn? I just don't think it makes enough sense

The nut flush is pretty hard to represent as the As & Ks are already on the board... What flush hand would you flat with PF? QJs possibly but that's really the only hand.. Maybe JTs but that's close to the bottom of your flatting range OOP vs. 3bet I'd imagine...

I think I would just call the river to bluff catch due to his weak sizing

Interesting hand and I admire you for the balls! But as I said, if I was in Villains shoes, it wouldn't add up
Posted 8 years ago
I think calling pre is fine given BTN's likely strong range for 3 betting if that 5% is accurate. Cold 4 betting looks super strong and you'll find yourself up against QQ+AK most of the time if they 5 bet and you call it off.

Flop and turn are fine.

I would fold the river as a standard. At these stakes do you feel villain will fold a decent Ax in a 3 bet pot? I don't think it's terrible but if villain can hand read then I would expect him to be thinking that you would lead out on the river with anything that wants value.

Posted 8 years ago
I agree that 4betting pre would be the way to go. From the HH it looks like he's 3betting a CO opener so his range should be looser than if he was 3betting other positions. Flop and turn look good. On the river I like it in theory but I would be very hesitant to try this at 5nl. I don't really give the average player enough credit to fold even something as weak as an Ax to such a play.
Posted 8 years ago
I'm down with the call if players tend not to get AK in. But if we think he has a strong range why are we trying to make a move on him? Looks like a fold to me