Standard is to 4bet 2x or so. 25-30bb will do. But as you get reads that fish will call a jam - jam..

TBH honest in this spot I think your shove is fine with over 3e already in the pot. This isn't a standard 4bet spot IMO to not shove. You had your reads and the played accordngly. If they all fold then you pick up a good amount too. Not much else you can do.

Based on your reads I'd say there is only one answer:




However this for me would not be a standard 4bet spot anyway. I would flat a 3bet OOP with QQ generally. I 4bet KK+ and AQo. Here with the fish overcalling I get the jam but if he had not I'd be flatting vs the frequent 3bettor who folds too much I think.

Jamming will be good with all the dead money in the pot, but I still think a normal size works better.

If you make it a normal size villain can still have a chance to make a bluff which you've now lost. They can also call with parts of their folding range vs the jam putting you in a super high EV spot

Fair enough, thank you very much everybody.

Not much to add here other than agree that if you are re-raising jamming seems fine. If you are fourbetting after the calling comes along you will need to make it pretty big and honestly, the cold fourbet to a smaller amount will probably actually get more respect than the jam. Say if villain has a hand like TT/JJ, they might put you on AK and call. When you make a smaller fourbet they may lean their thinking towards the stronger overpairs and find the fold.

However, there is another option where we can just flat call the reraise. With the dead money in the pot I think my preference is towards the shove but calling and playing postflop poker with an under-repped hand has it's upsides also.