Hi felizx, i like more jam in flop, you have two overcard and draws nuts, in pot 3bet you have a hand very strong, i never fold here, and call flop is a mistake, because if you make call here you are commited, i prefer push direct in flop and hope for the best

GL

ya that is what everyone says. I just don't feel good about it this deep. Just can't wrap my head around sticking it in with like 40% equity. I just haven't been able to figure out the math that if you are getting it in as a dog over and over, how you are actually gonna make money. Only way i can see that is if you have FE which I just don't think I had.

Mid writing this i decided to do the FE calc. So worse case scenario if they only have 88 77 44 and 87s then i have 27% equity and i need them to fold to my shove 28% of the time. If you can in fact get to 40% equity then it is slightly better than breakeven shove. In order to get to that I have to add in AA, KK, which I am not sure he would have based on preflop action, as well as some SCs with hearts in them. So in order to make this a profitable shove he needs to be calling off with significantly more than just sets and 2 pair, other wise I need him to fold at least 28% of the time, which based on how i play and what I have seen I am just not sure I get that. I am hoping someone has some other insight as to what villain could have to make this a shove everytime

Yeh super simple straight forward jam and we have 40% vs a perceived range and your range is not perfect imo for that as villain can have plenty of draws himself or even just fold to the jam.

Two overs, nut flush draw on a wet board. Get it in

I understand how you feel with this hand, vs 150bbs deep. It's hard to love putting the money in on a flip, and I say a flip because there are some draws opponent can have that are combo.

But I think this is one of those spots where we can still sometimes be ahead. And in the long run we do ok in these spots to GII, they just don't come round a ton.

Putting it in on the flop and seeing 2 more cards is better than putting in over 1/3 of your stack to check fold 75% of turn cards. You have 9 or so back after you would call his raise. Now you want to fold for $9 into what would be ~ $30 if you put it in. This is a spot where you throw up a little and just put the money in. If he has one combo of each 5s6s 8s8d 7s7d and Jh9h combined here you have 38.5%, and he is likely to have some other hands in there too. Putting 9 into 30 isn't bad. What is happening here imo is you are looking at your entire session results hinging on a 300 bb pot where you are possibly behind but have odds to put it in and dont want to, but know you shouldn't fold too as you have nut outs vs his hand, range, raise size, and implied odds, so not wanting to shove and knowing you shouldn't be folding you opt to call.

I think you hit the nail on the head @Joshk81 I thought I should be shoving and with just full stacks would have, but with the deeper stacks it was tough for me. I knew it was kind of close but ya just didn't want to blast away 150bb on a draw. Shoving these types of hands is still a leak of mine. I just haven't done enough work off the table to understand the math behind them to feel good about it, especially with deeper stacks.

@Grocker6@StratoMan@juanoell to let you guys all know. For whatever reason, Betvictor has that thing where it will show you what the next card would be. It is turned on for whatever reason when I play, never bothered to turn it off. I must love punishing myself. The Q of hearts rolled off on the river, which made this entire hand a total pukefest.

Not that its about the results, it was just the icing on the cake. Thanks for the resposes

Even so deep in a 3 bet pot getting it in here should be ok. Many players will raise overpairs on this board which we're a favourite against.

Even if you blow them off a made hand we have more equity than it's still better than not realising your equity by the end of the hand.

I prefer x/r or x/c otf. We check fold a lot (pretty much all our preflop semibkuffs) and we are also checking lots of our over pairs. Therefore I would make it easy and check my entire range and then we can call or raise and it can't be a mistake. We get more folds with a x/r also so our Fe increases and our equity v his bet call range is going to better than when we get raised I think.

If people are being sticky, as is often the case in these games when villain has position, you could think about reraising larger preflop OOP, but maybe it's not such a big deal.
I prefer to go with a chk/c flop/see turn plan since I'm OOP and it's pretty obvious that board didn't hit me in the face; I also think looking for FE is a bit thin this time. Basically i go for a bit of pot control as best I can, tough OOP I know.
I'd fold this turn as well as played.

OOP sucks.