10NL Blaze QJS

Posted 8 years ago

Ok, so I guess the overcall pre with QJs here is maybe questionable, but the only reason I did it was because I know slambang. Even though I have no stats on him to give you at the moment, I have played a fair amount against him in the past on reg tables and he 3bets pretty wide and can be pretty loose. I figured because I had the button and it was only 7bb that overall I can make this profitable against him specifically.

So my first question is on the flop. So the second caller checks and the original 3 better does as well, which I thought was a bit odd. I decided to bet the flop after it went check check as it was a pretty good flop for me. So first, should I even be betting this. I did make a pair but slambang could be getting tricky with AA, AQ, AK maybe 99 or even QQ, even though only 1 combo. I think I bet just to get heads up with him and maybe take down the pot if he was doing this with some garbage. He could have things like KK and JJ that with the over cards he wants to pot control a bit, so maybe betting is not the best play. If it is a good play should I be going bigger. I just here so much stuff about in 3 bet pots only having to bet half pot with the pot dynamics and setting stacks up for river, but maybe a bigger size would be better, idk.

Next is the turn. It was pretty confusing cuz he called the flop and then donks the turn. My first worry was that he hit a flush and of course that makes my flush look pretty weak in comparison. I start thinking though and all A, Q, and J combos of hearts are out, so it only leaves Kh combos. The only decent combo I can come up with for that is KhTh, which as loose as this guy can be, I still don't believe he would be 3 betting that COvMP. So not sure what he would be doing this with. The only things I could come up with were the slow played sets and 2 pair, from the flop or something like AK, KQ, KK with the Kh or just trying to use the scare card to steal the pot. This made me a bit nervous so I decided to raise. The size I came up with i think was a bit large to the point where I might as well have just shoved. So is raising here to protect my hand the best play or should I just be calling here, knowing that there are very little combos out there with the Kh that can beat me and then just give him the rope to shove the river. I am leaning towards the latter now that I have had time to look at it and think a bit more. If I do raise it maybe I should make it a bit smaller and allow him to think he has some FE if he shoves over the top of me, like 2x it or something like that?

Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem Prima
6 Players

Blinds$0.05/$0.106
UTG atsivares $8.06
UTG+1 alex51 $9.26
CO slambang19 $13.87
DHero $17.61
SB FunGame24 $10.13
BB Sammogon $3.53
Preflop
6$0.15Hero is BTNJQ
1 fold, alex51 raises to $0.20, slambang19 raises to $0.70, Hero calls$0.70, 2 folds, alex51 calls $0.50
Flop
3$2.059AQ
alex51 checks, slambang19 checks, Hero bets$1.10, alex51 folds, slambang19 calls $1.10
Turn
2$4.258
slambang19 bets $2.20, Hero raises to $6.50, slambang19 folds
Final Pot$12.95

Hero wins$12.85 (net +$4.55)
alex51 lost $0.50
slambang19 lost $4
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Posted 8 years ago
Preflop is meh, though if you think you have a good advantage over CO with the added stack depth I won't argue with you.

I can't actually decide if I like a flop check or bet, both options seem decent at least some % of the time. If you ever check back flush draws this seems like a decent one to do that with. You probably only have like 2-3 combos of flush draws max though so that doesn't leave you plenty of options with them. Then if you don't bluff stuff like this then I can almost guarantee you'll be 95% for value with a flop bet which isn't ideal.

His turn lead is really odd. Given that you have the Qh and Jh it's nearly impossible for him to have a flush and the 8x shouldn't improve many hands to 2 pair. I'd still go for a raise but I'd go for a smaller size since I expect his range to be fairly weak.
Posted 8 years ago
Slambang actually seems pretty honest at the Blaze tables and generally doesn't mess around much and probably is missing a ton of spots to take it down.
So generally PF i probably muck it and move on as I think most of his light 3 bets are from BTN or BB vs late position opens.

I really can't work out what he might have here... maybe KK? Just don't get that b/f on the turn.

But I'd have played it similar post flop anyway.
Posted 8 years ago
Not a fan of the pre flop call, I don't think we're deep enough, I would much prefer to be pushing 180bb effective.

I like the flop bet when we can just take it down right away, but build a pot in case we bink the flush.

On the turn I agree with KDJ that the raise is too big. I don't expect him to slowplay a set multiway on that flop so his range is pretty weak.
Posted 8 years ago
Grocker6: Slambang actually seems pretty honest at the Blaze tables and generally doesn't mess around much and probably is missing a ton of spots to take it down.


So I went and checked my stats and stats looked like maybe you were right, he doesn't seem to mess around too much. then this happened just now:

Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
$0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem Prima
6 Players

Blinds$0.05/$0.106
UTG hfvptc $11.96
UTG+1 slambang19 $18.10
CO lovagepp $11.38
D WhoAmI910 $16.94
SBHero $10
BB Arilg $11.98
Preflop
6$0.15Hero is SBQQ
hfvptc raises to $0.20, slambang19 raises to $0.70, 2 folds, Hero calls$0.65, 1 fold, hfvptc folds
Flop
2$1.6563Q
Hero checks, slambang19 bets $1.10, Hero calls$1.10
Turn
2$3.85K
Hero checks, slambang19 bets $1.70, Hero calls$1.70
River
2$7.256
Hero checks, slambang19 bets $7.30, Hero goes all-in$6.50
Final Pot$20.25
Hero shows QQ
slambang19 shows 8J

Hero wins$20 (net +$10.05)
slambang19 collects $0.80 (net -$10)
hfvptc lost $0.20


So now I am going back to my previous statement that I think the preflop call is just fine. the only place I messed up is with the raise. I should have just called and let him shove into me with nothing, cuz that is probably what he had!!
Posted 8 years ago*
Actually, I think Slambang's play here isn't crazily terrible. But what you did is exploit what the regs do here. I can actually imagine some others making a play like this vs how it's been played from you *coughJoncough*. #

Almost seems like you have an AQ type hand.

I think the fact you didn't raise the turn helped you a lot in that hand. But yeah, awesome hand!
Posted 8 years ago
I'm not a fan of the call preflop, if he was as deep as you are then I think it would be OK but with current stacks I'm not a fan given the initial raiser left to act.

On the flop I think we should be betting more often than checking, but checking this hand multiway is not absurd by any stretch. I don't think we are going to get check raised here very often, and often I think at least one villain will be going for a check call with Ax. While this isn't fantastic for us given that we are marginally behind, it will open up the door for villain to make a large mistake on a later street if we do improve.

On the turn we have close to the nuts. I'm not sure if I like a raise here or not though. By raising we are essentially telling the villain exactly what we have. We have bet into a multiway pot on a draw heavy board, then the draw comes in and we put in a pot committing raise. Even if villain has a two pair type hand here if he is at all decent he can for sure find a fold vs this line. Sets are not all that likely here given the flop action and as you mentioned, there is only one realistic combo of the Kx flush. I think I prefer flat calling here vs an aggressive villain as he will have a pot sized bet left on the river so we still have a reasonable chance of getting all the money.