NL10 JTs

Posted 8 years ago

I think my squeeze size should have been bigger looking back, but generally multiway here... how do you approach these boards with this sort of hand?

Me(SB) $10.55
Player 4(BB) $8.59 - VP:46 PFR:4 AF:Inf. W:36|40 STL:0|67 3B:8|0 CB:100|67 N:11.08 Hands:26
Player 5(UTG) $12.79 - VP:20 PFR:4 AF:0.7 W:20|100 STL:0|0 3B:0|0 CB:100|50 N:2.59 Hands:25
Player 6(MP) $8.65 - VP:46 PFR:2 AF:0.5 W:45|31 STL:0|100 3B:0|50 CB:|0 N:2.44 Hands:61
Player 1(CO) $7.77 - VP:22 PFR:17 AF:0.4 W:22|50 STL: 3B:0|0 CB:0|0 N:-2.23 Hands:23
Player 2(BTN) $18.68 - VP:26 PFR:18 AF:1.0 W:31|60 STL:25|33 3B:12|0 CB:33|50 N:-3.98 Hands:61


Pre Flop: Me(SB) with [Jd,Td]
Player 5(UTG) folds,
Player 6(MP) calls 0.10,
Player 1(CO) folds,
Player 2(BTN) raises 0.40,
Me(SB) raises to 1.30,
Player 4(BB) calls 1.20,
Player 6(MP) folds,
Player 2(BTN) calls 0.90


Flop: (Jc,4h,2d)(3 players)
Pot - 4
Me(SB) ?
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Posted 8 years ago
With about 1/4 of the deck coming on the turn being an overcard I would still lean towards making a c bet. I think you can probably make it a bit less than 1/2 pot, as the reg isn't calling much worse and you still can't really fire three streets vs the fish.

Checking can't be horrible, but if an overcard comes it's going to make life a bit difficult.
Posted 8 years ago*
Squeezing here your logic should be Btn is opening wide to isolate the loose limper. You 3b this spot to attack what will be a wider range. You make TP with backdoor diamonds. I would continue here. If he has something / wants to float he will. Checking achieves nothing. He should not be folding pairs or draws to one bet in position, so bet for value on a board you have deceptively connected with.

On an aside, I would not take this as a spot to 3b as a default, I would want to call and keep the loose limper in rather than isolate to the better button and play HU OOP. JTs looks so pretty. You want to keep in the loose limper with all the crap he has which you dominate, all the made hands you can make where he is crushed, and all the draws you can hit where he has a piece but is a dog.

The hand also IMO plays better multiway and deep. By 3b squeeze pre you often isolate to HU OOP with a SPR of a bit over 2. You can bet / call flop, bet bet flop and turn, check bet call flop and turn, or check bet bet flop turn and river and stacks are in.

Longterm you want to play with the fish deep so their mistakes are worse, not play back at the regs.

If you squeeze bigger the SPR is lower and it just means stackoff ranges are wider and the money is easier to get in. I don't think a pot of $4.50 postflop makes a big difference here.
Posted 8 years ago*
@Joshk81 Ok well I think this is an interesting hand then for the whole concept of squeezing. And the logic of what we want to achieve.

So basically I need to be thinking of doing this more with my stronger value range/raw high equity range (big pairs, AKs, AQs etc) as opposed to hands that draw/play well post flop as SCs. And use JTs as more of a 3bet bluff hand OOP rather than a squeeze if I'm isolating myself vs a reg as opposed to a fish (if the reg has ultimate position on all). Is this what you're basically saying?

I guess it makes common sense really and thanks for your comment. I guess I'll keep this in mind for the future as it seems like a pretty nice bit of information.

Posted 8 years ago
I think 3b JTs can work well, and the intent here is good, but the priority is and should always be to play pots with the fish. This is where the money comes from, not reg on reg violence. It is also good to have a cluster of 3b hands vs reg that will hit and allow you to continue numbers boards. If your range is just big card value hands then experienced players will take this apart playing with position against you. They will put you in spots where you are being leveraged into playing for stacks with a 1 pair hand or overs. This doesnt happen in micros as far as I am aware with anywhere near the same frequency as higher limits, but it is something to be aware of.

Having the SPR of 2 in this spot just means that 88 might put it in on a 693r board, and stackoff ranges are wide. Often you win with a cbet, but you will need to be prepared to bet / call wide. Ex. Q83 with one diamond. Having an SPR 2 on this board I would not be bet / folding JTdd.