OOP TP+NFD

Posted 8 years agoEdited 8 years ago

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Hello everybody,

Villian is 26 / 17 / agg. 4 / cbet: 100 turn cbet: 0 (0/2) in 100 hands.


What should we decide here and why ?


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Posted 8 years ago
Don't like the call pre flop in the SB. We cannot play this hand proftible and I'd like a 3bet more than flat call.

As played, I don't think we are ahead nor are we getting odds to call so I'd make a fold. Cruddy spot to be in and I suggest folding or 3betting this hand from the SB to avoid getting in such spots.
Posted 8 years ago
I don't mind the call pre, but I do believe 3bet will often be superior (depending on the players that are currently in the pot).

Turn is close and I can see folding this vs. 17 PFR guy, but the worse my opponent would be in this spot the more I'd be inclined to call.
Posted 8 years ago
I wouldn't read into those stats for a 100 hand sample too much.

I think turn is a clear call. Raising would be really overplaying your hand. TP+NFD will surely have enough equity to continue against a range that includes some bluffs. OOP it'll be harder to capitalise on implied odds but since your draw is the backdoor flush I'd expect diamonds to get bet significantly more than spades (if you had the other draw).
Posted 8 years ago
thanks a lot to everybody. @Komododragonjesus if I call and river comes blank card. I have just TP.. how should we decide then ?
Posted 8 years ago
I'm personally not keen on the call preflop. Not for the extra 45c.

We're against a range that will dominate us, and on this flop with the pot getting large, we're gonna be unsure like this. Teased in to calling.
There's a chance you may get value with the backdoor but I just think we've gotten ourself into a bit of a pickle tbh.
Posted 8 years ago*
Pre is marginal, but as it's likely going to be a 4 way pot it can't be terrible, I think I would still fold though.

I'm also leaning towards folding the turn.

@Komododragonjesus Do you not feel the double whammy of being OOP and villain's range being heavily weighted towards decent Ax combos due to his player type, position, plus c betting multiway, makes this at least marginal rather than clear?
Posted 8 years ago*
Turlock: Pre is marginal, but as it's likely going to be a 4 way pot it can't be terrible, I think I would still fold though.

I'm also leaning towards folding the turn.

@Komododragonjesus Do you not feel the double whammy of being OOP and villain's range being heavily weighted towards decent Ax combos due to his player type, position, plus c betting multiway, makes this at least marginal rather than clear?


Well we need ~31% equity here. Against a reasonably tight range we probably have 25-35% so at minimum it's close. Then add on implied odds from when we can x/c the river and I think it should be a decent spot.

It's also a spot where if hero x/r sets and 2 pair on the flop then TP+NFD will likely be near the very top of range and folding such a hand should mean we need to fold flop. That's a completely different argument and not super relevant at these stakes but it's something I think about.